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Old 09-21-2024 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
There has always been different standards of compensation within the industry based on which model one works under. Legacy, ULCC, and regional are all under the same industry, yet all pay differently. In the freight side of the business, Atlas or Kalitta pilots have never made what UPS pilots do. Both fly the same aircraft and do the same job, however working for UPS vs an ACMI means that you are negotiating with a much deeper set of pockets. I'd love to see you guys make major improvements, however I just don't see a ULCC getting contractual parity with a legacy. Without a massive global network, frequent flyer programs that actually attract a large customer base, and the credit card revenue, you're just sticking your hands into a set of shallow pockets.

As far as the ULCC being the wrong model to support, that depends on the perspective of consumer, employee, shareholder, or management. I do think that the ULCC will adapt into a LCC model. The industry has simply made a pizza so cheap that many people don't want to eat it again after trying it. There is a demand for low priced travel, however that company can't incur the same cost as higher priced competition and still sell at a big discount. Raising prices somewhat and greatly improving service, frequency, and reliability should allow significant improvements in ULCC/LCC compensation, I do however believe that there will always be a gap between regionals, ULCC's, and legacies.

Frontier flies passengers. Each one of them has a family. We fly more passengers in a plane than our legacy counterparts. The model is of no consequence. Pay in parity with the number of passenger seats available and responsibility for more lives warrants pay in line with legacy carriers. We did not choose the model. Management did. We can however demand pay that is adequate for our responsibility. We as a pilot have all the leverage and always will. Time to train a pilot to fly the line is long. Cost is high. If we demand pay we will receive that pay.


Fact we fly people

fact we fly more people

fact management is losing money while our job is the exact same as legacy pilots with more workload.

fact planes can’t move themselves. You need a pilot.

fact we have changed “business model” before

fact business model is a management argument and doesn’t change pilot jobs.

fact southwest makes more as an FO than any legacy carrier as what you describe as a LCC and in line with captain pay.

fact our CEO and executives have made pay inline with larger operators. Why would we deserve less when they demand equal pay?

Fact we can get the pay we deserve if we refuse anything less.
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