Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
FOX I don't see where people are kneeling towards Herdon saying "we're not worthy". What I do see is 4700 (minus a few like your self) very frustrated Pilots who work for a very profitable company that refuses to negotiate. I see hard working Pilots that simply want some respect and a little acknowlegment that they play a key role in the great success of this company. They simply want "A little something for the effort".........noething more, nothing less.
We have 4700 frustrated pilots because a large number of them were convinced that ALPA was something that it was not.
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
So, my friend, Tell me what you would do right now if you were the MEC Chairman?.......or Negotiating Chairman? How would you move negotiations along to get us the improvments the crewforce indicated it wanted?
I would suggest a resignation would be in order. Just because you want something it does not always happen.
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
The current NC has already come down twice on our proposals. The company hasn't budged one IOTA. So now what???????
Looks to me that the company is sending a message as to how weak/ineffective national unions are. The pilots are just one of the targets of the message.
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
So Please FOXhunter....enlighten us on how it should be done.
Listen to Herndon, Vote for Democrats in November.
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Oh and BTW.............
Under the FCH how many years did we go without any Pay raise?
Under the FCH how much did we all potentailly lose with NO B FUND?
Under the FCH nothing was legally binding.
(Granted under bankruptcy, other MGTS have been very successful; at chainsawing contracts.............but we ain't in bankruptcy)
I worked tor Tigers in 85' with the highest paid ALPA pilot group in the country. I was also there in 87' part of the lowest paid ALPA pilot group. Pay does not always go up. When I came to non-union FedEx I received a 100% pay raise. No B fund at FedEx, but no B fund at Tigers either.
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Remember, the FCH was a 3 ring binder!..... (That wasn't legally binding excuse the Pun). When the company didn't like something, they simply popped open the Binder pulled out/or inserted a change ........most of the time it wasn't for the better as far as Pilots were concerned.
Was not quite that simple, but few things were actually changed. I do recall the uproar about the vacation policy change, made it better for 85% of the pilots, but still many were very unhappy.
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Your retirement under this current contract is FAR superior than it would have been under the FCH and the retirement section,although signed by FPA, was essentailly Identical to the ALPA 1 failed TA's.
Is it? Yes we now have the nonqualified plan due to changes in Federal Law. There are advantages to being organized, and some big disadvantages being tied to a National Union's agenda.
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Please FOX enlighten us with your method to get the company to begin to negotiate.............
So Please FOXhunter....enlighten us on how it should be done.
My guess is that our ALPA leadership has seen the best offer. Some day they may even allow the membership a peek.
