Originally Posted by
Aero1900
Right.....
You randomly come on here and tried to tell us we can't get what we want and we should just leave and get on the Delta seniority list below you. You mocked us for asking for industry standard. Just give up on our fight. Like a good union brother would, right? In solidarity, brother!
No. You clearly came here in an inflammatory manner. And have clearly been excited to respond to every single post since your first telling us that we can't do as well as you.
I will however play along. I can't remember if it was United or AA but when they agreed to their new contract the CEO was on CNBC and when asked how they would pay for the huge pat raises he just shrugged and said "we will pass the cost along to the customer. It will have no impact on our margins"
And he was right. That's how business works. And it's how Frontier will do it as well. Our ticket prices will go up. That's the answer to your question. Fortunately for us, even if our ticket prices have to go up $20, we can still dramatically undercut Delta on cost. Pilot pay is only a small part of our CASM savings compared to our competitors.
As a fellow union pilot, you should want us to do well and you clearly don't. I know you said you do, but its obvious you don't. And it's sad and misinformed. We are an industry together, and we build off of eachothers contract progress. What's good for Delta pilots is good for us and vice versa. You don't know what's good for you. You just want to see us do worse and you want to see more people junior to you at Delta. Nice.
Don't come here telling us to aim lower. That's being the worst kind of fellow union brother. It's up to Frontier to figure out how to raise revenue, not for you to come tell us to settle for less pay. Hard to believe any fellow would do that.
Joined here after lurking awhile just to agree with you. It's up to management to find the money, not for us to give it to them. A rising tide lifts all boats, and it's in everyone's interest for us to get a good contract.
As far as finding the money goes, (for what it's worth) BL was in our RGS class this week and said (paraphrasing) "We've mostly been driven by lowering costs since we adopted the ULCC model, and the industry is moving in a direction that makes that focus less competitive. We're going to have to modify our model."
I'll admit I was pretty surprised to hear him actually admit as much, especially to a room full of pilots. Food for thought anyway, considering he also alluded to actual first class and wifi (for the umpteenth time- we'll see).
Management is just going to stall as long as they can for the CBA (IMO). Wear the lanyards, go to the events if you can swing them, and support the union and your fellow pilots as best you can. It looks like it'll be a while, and there's still a lot of living to do between now and then.