Originally Posted by
buzzer
3000. Your questions may not be inflammatory but many of your comments are...go back and read them. You are offending people here. That's not an effective way to get a good discussion . The fact you can't see that, is certainly not helping you.
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A couple random thoughts. A standard tactic in negotiating is to always ask for more than you think is possible. Passengers already paying the max they can? So if a flight is $1 more there will be no takers? $5? $10?. I think the relationship is more related to what other options they have. Pilot pay and relating it to profit, insurance or whatever. Yes, absolutely the company will use those items in negotiating if it helps them and effects the outcome. I think what F9 pilots will end up with has more to do with what leverage is available, how good the negotiators are on each side, how badly a contract is wanted by either side, pilot solidarity etc.
When you ask, what makes someone think they can get X, it can be a moving target. I think asking or thinking why a pilot shouldn't be as paid the same as other similar pilots is the healthiest mindset. So why destroy that? I can see why you were called anti-union for that. You are not helping other pilots with unity, therefore not a team player. To think you wont get paid equally to others in same positions is self defeating to all on the labor side. In the end, it's hard to answer what is a pilot worth. Perhaps you are worth what you can negotiate. DAL did a fine job for all of us with their last contract.
The low cost carrier argument fails when you realize that Southwest has a pay rate greater than legacy carriers on FO side and equal to legacies on captain side including profit sharing. We can in fact get there, the company has to be a great product to get there. This motivates them to have a better product to afford the increased labor cost.
we even still are a discount since every carrier now has profit sharing and we just want equal hourly + health insurance and retirement.