Originally Posted by
dracir1
Exactly!!!
OK, it seems from reading most of these entries (prior to the one I'm replying to) that this is either most 1st negotiation or they are mgt trolls. Either way...
THE WHOLE POINT OF NEGOTIATION IS TO GET MORE! If a McDonald's employee goes to their manager and asks for a raise, they want a RAISE. They want MORE money for the exact same work. They're not looking for an agreement that pays them more but then makes them have less vacation or makes them work harder.
WHY is that what we want? Well, because THAT'S how LIFE goes. Prices go up (for everything, not just airline tickets) and not getting a raise means you lose purchasing power. It is why United, American, Delta, Jet Blue, Alaska, Hawaiian and EVEN SPIRIT mgt gave their pilots raises. For us, our mgt is different. They do not want to give us a raise. They may say it in public, but during negotiations they act differently. The last airline to strike was Spirit and it was with this SAME MGT GROUP. We will need to strike too. That will be the only way we get the maximum that is allowed. Prepare yourself. Anything short of a strike and we didn't get everything we could.
Quit acting like you don't understand life. Stop asking stupid questions about why we should get more w/o giving up something. Cease and desist w/ the "well, why don't you just leave" crap. You sound like you have no idea how life or this industry works.
Your starting to make more sense. This management has delay tactics going back decades. Here’s just a sample from last round. So and so can’t make the meeting as they have mil leave even though thier not really involved in negotiations. We need to reschedule. You’ve been training displaced and will need to call crew scheduling after the meeting for potential reassignment as that was carved out last round but existed at the time.
Alpa has to pay for all drops to negotiate. That one went to arbitration and the arbitrator agreed. I found that one from the phx session amusing as thier still trying make alpa seem as if thier demanding drops to negotiate even though they actually offered once the session was almost over. Had they actually wanted to accomplish something that would have been done start of day 1. I could go on and on.
This is what the union is dealing with. The union is showing up prepared to get something done and management is showing up with delay tactics.