Originally Posted by
aar1970
Hello, I am seeking some advise here is the situation, first my back round, 57 yo male, 30 yrs military 6000 helo, 500 C12 hours. Unrestricted ATP, A320 type on my own.
Went to work for a Major Airline. Ground school no issues. During touch screen sims, 4 total, during number 3, I received an UNSAT, Instructor was teaching the wrong material, and according to the Deputy Director of Training, the UNSAT would be removed.
During SIMS, my stick buddy and I received two UNSATS in a row, during sim 3. The second UNSAT in the sim, my stick buddy and the instructor got into an extremely unprofessional argument. The likes I have never seen. After that I got a new stick buddy, no further issues in sims.
I started IOE, during the second IOE trip, I received a PC during the final day. The previous day, which was a 3 leg day, legs 2, and 3 my LCA received check rides. When I got the PC I had 34.5 hours in the aircraft, with 5 landings. I made some mistakes noted in the debrief, and he mentioned my attitude being great and very receptive to training. Two days after the PC before my 3rd IOE flight I received a call saying training was paused, and a Training review meeting was coming. During the meeting, the first UNSAT was brought up again, I explained that it was supposed to be removed, and the other two were from the issues between my stick buddy and the instructor. Based on this, the company has decided to "part ways" with me.
Union fought hard, but being probationary not a lot they could do. They are filing a formal grievance on my behalf. Breach of contract issues. Management did not budge. I consulted several friends, and they recommended to resign instead of being terminated. So I am not resigning.
I have emails, talking about the argument, and stick buddy change, and the original IOE paperwork.
I think that is all from the company being overstrength on pilots rite now, with a possible recession coming. I have also heard they are kicking a lot of people out of training right now.
My question is how hard is it going to be, to get another interview at another Major, or Regional when the hiring starts back again?
Well, I’ll just say that you aren’t wrong that stuff like this DOES happen in the industry. Yes there are students that do get ‘railroaded’ from really really bad instruction and from a training program that is very disorganized. It’s like this at the regionals too. They tend to be disorganized, have a high turnover in the training department compared to the majors, and generally speaking many of the instructors aren’t on the same page together. So there’s very little standardization. This does make for a frustrating experience, but, it’s not something you can’t overcome and push through and still make it a success. My regional is notoriously bad at what I just described, although to their credit, they have gotten better in recent years and managed to either fire, or remove toxic people from the training department who had no business being there.
I understand that sometimes one’s experiences can sometimes be exceptionally bad. But there were also likely a number of things you were struggling with as well that you may be downplaying and omitting here, and so both the struggles you had and the disorganized training combined led to the company saying “sorry but you gotta go.”
The best thing you can do is cut your losses from this and pick yourself up and drive on. Don’t mention the things you mentioned in this thread to the next interviewer. It’s just a bad look. Do what everyone here has suggested. Frame it in a way where it shows you learned from it. Avoid trashing the previous company, it will award you absolutely no points. Instead, doing so will tarnish your reputation. Granted, yes, you are probably right, they may have screwed you over some. And I’m sure interviewers are well aware of this kind of stuff going on. But they still expect candidates to refrain from trashing said employer.