^^ That's a good way of putting it.

The own it and move forward advice is legit. Characterizing these events as someone else's fault is going to be a non-starter in a hiring-type environment.

A demonstrated track record of success is pretty much the best path forward at this point.

 

I was riding in the back on my way to upgrade training at my regional when the guy next to me pulled out a company iPad. We got to talking and he had a similar background to yours I imagine - a bit younger maybe and unsure of FW time, but obviously had the minimum. He was retiring from EAATS. At some point he said “I was an SP/IE with xxxx hours, if I can’t make it through this, something’s wrong. I actually commented to my wife about that conversation - how confident/arrogant the guy appeared and I hoped everything goes ok. Maybe a year later I was talking about this with an FO. That guy was in his class and ended up washing out. That was probably 6 years ago but your post immediately gave me that same vibe.

Similarly, I had a friend (retired WO) resign in lieu of (possible would be my guess) termination. Unfortunately, he called after already resigning, but pretty much the entire convo was about how annoying some of the “kid” instructors were, etc. All I could do is listen, cringe, and realize how that attitude definitely played into his situation.

I get it, you were the top dog. Were… I remember flying with a few (rare honestly) tool, 20-something CAs when I was a regional FO. It stung a bit thinking that I was probably flying in combat with my hair on fire when they were learning to ride a bike. But guess what? It doesn’t matter - no one GAF. I just played the game, laughed a little inside, and imagined that the guy still hasn’t been laid.

Really read the last 3 responses to your post in the Frontier thread. I think they are closer to reality than yours. I mean, you have multiple failures in a short time in the training footprint, and none of it had anything to do with your performance? Just not going to happen. One of the earliest things I learned in the mil was even if I had an extremely tangential connection with something that went south, it was way better to accept responsibility, lick my wounds, and move on. I think you created a hole that will take a lot to dig out of anytime soon. Honestly, Frontier is just randomly canning dudes to save money..? Again, read the 3 responses in the other thread as they will probably readjust your azimuth if you don’t brush them off.

 

Spend the money for some opinions from interview prep companies. Sounds like you may need the guidance.

 

Whatever you do, don’t use the term “stick buddy” in future interviews.

 

Solid advice !

 

I have a feeling I know which company is doing this to you. Their training department SUCKS over there, if it’s the company I’m thinking of. They railroaded my buddy after some really terrible instruction (we were sim partners, both retired Army guys) so I saw it happen first hand. He never made a single excuse for getting put out to pasture, but I saw how he was treated. Glad I no longer work there.

 

I believe he already self-identified in another thread, and it's been noted in this one, that the operator is Frontier.

 

Well, I’ll just say that you aren’t wrong that stuff like this DOES happen in the industry. Yes there are students that do get ‘railroaded’ from really really bad instruction and from a training program that is very disorganized. It’s like this at the regionals too. They tend to be disorganized, have a high turnover in the training department compared to the majors, and generally speaking many of the instructors aren’t on the same page together. So there’s very little standardization. This does make for a frustrating experience, but, it’s not something you can’t overcome and push through and still make it a success. My regional is notoriously bad at what I just described, although to their credit, they have gotten better in recent years and managed to either fire, or remove toxic people from the training department who had no business being there.

I understand that sometimes one’s experiences can sometimes be exceptionally bad. But there were also likely a number of things you were struggling with as well that you may be downplaying and omitting here, and so both the struggles you had and the disorganized training combined led to the company saying “sorry but you gotta go.”

The best thing you can do is cut your losses from this and pick yourself up and drive on. Don’t mention the things you mentioned in this thread to the next interviewer. It’s just a bad look. Do what everyone here has suggested. Frame it in a way where it shows you learned from it. Avoid trashing the previous company, it will award you absolutely no points. Instead, doing so will tarnish your reputation. Granted, yes, you are probably right, they may have screwed you over some. And I’m sure interviewers are well aware of this kind of stuff going on. But they still expect candidates to refrain from trashing said employer.