Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI

We really should not be short sighted and look at empty open time today and conclude "well if we don't have plentiful open time today what good is trade/drop/swap?"

Think long term. You don't want to sell these rules for some pot of money, the company would love to do that for a reason. United gave away forcing upgrades on new hires and that's leverage they'll never have again. We absolutely shouldn't give up our QoL rules but instead reinforce them. We need to BUILD on our QoL rules, not trash them. I want legacy rates but I do not see it happening in the 2020s and I think we need to have an honest discussion about that.

I meet a ton of pilots who are here for the work rules, not the rate. In their minds we will never make legacy rates dollar for dollar and they're ok with that. Rates are overrated folks. Rates sell you the QoL gutting. Don't accept abysmal pay - but being within 5-15% with stellar work rules is a win.

Does our current management team think like this? I don't think so, honestly.



I think Frontier will adapt, I just don't trust this management team to be smart about how it does. Scott Kirby is forward thinking. We are totally reactive and never ahead of what is coming and I think that's a clear recipe for mediocre results or worse.