Originally Posted by
FangsF15
Functionally, that's how it's been working. But the letter of the contract is at the time of notification, right? Absolutely not trying to split hairs, I can just see the company flexing on an individual pilot citing 23.S.
Yes the ambiguity largely depends on whether you’re contactable when the short call is assigned. As verdell alludes to below. I’d say, if you’re contactable, you better invoke your 2 hr NC pretty darn quick. But since ascertain is so nebulous, if you didn’t immediately tell them when stuff is assigned / awarded at 1100, or even around 12 prior to end of non-fly day, they should honor it whether it’s done at those times or hours later.
It can be a race against the clock… but you lose no matter what if they’ve assigned a short call rotation prior to you attempting to invoke NC.
Originally Posted by
Verdell
100% agree. But...
In practice, notification of short call wouldn't be any later than 18 hours prior, or 12-hours before the start of LC (10-18 hour rule) right? So at notification, invoke 2-hour NC (as is the requirement in the PWA/SRH). This should cover 99% of scenarios, because anything else and they could outright remove the SC and assign a rotation >18 hours out.
The outlier being for SC assigned days in advance. Still, when you make the call to self-notify/ack and invoke 2-hour NC, they could instead have a LC assignment waiting for you and the SC disappears.
Or, SC is assigned 11AM the day prior, and you call at 2000 to invoke 2-hour NC. I believe this still counts as self-notification (allowing 2-hour NC to be valid), but a rotation assignment may be present at that point. This gets into splitting hairs as Fangs mentioned. But as Cencal said, something to be aware of.
Definitely don’t want to be seen as a nitpicker with this but you may be mixing up some rules.
will address:
In practice, notification of short call wouldn't be any later than 18 hours prior, or 12-hours before the start of LC (10-18 hour rule) right?
While in LC status (ie contactable), yes, soonest you can get ANYTHING is 18 hours from the current time.
On a non-fly day (not a contactable status) the company does not need to notify you for rotations/short call reporting/starting between 10-18 hours after LC start. If it’s for after that, they need to contact you while in a contactable status (see above).
As previously stated, there is no requirement to acknowledge anything except when you are currently on short call and receive a rotation assignment during that short call.
So at notification, invoke 2-hour NC (as is the requirement in the PWA/SRH). This should cover 99% of scenarios, because anything else and they could outright remove the SC and assign a rotation >18 hours out.
Even if you invoke 2 hour NC, there is no PWA requirement for that SC (or even rotation assignments) to remain on your schedule. You are released 18 hours prior from your long call duty, so if they remove if they’ve shot themselves in the foot since you’re unavailable until whatever time your SC was supposed to start. You couldn’t be assigned anything until 18 hours after that since the SC is removed and your default is LC.