Originally Posted by
Bond
Would be ironic, but the fact is that over one third of their current work force came from XJT, and over half from the regionals...all those guys have been able to witness the byproducts of scope relaxation. Although not impossible, improbable is a better word, heck, lately I've been jumpseating and even the old guys have truly surprised me. They're p!ssed enough as it is on account of the Q's, I guess we'll see, they start section 6 next month.
I KNOW dude, I was poking fun at the potential for some ironic humor.
But with all those guys at CAL you mentioned, there are ALSO guys that may not be to that way of thinking. The class of the mid 80's, corporate/135 dudes, mil guys, or the FO's from (insert regional airline here) that went over. They may have little, or NO experience with negotiations. IE, they haven't been through it before. Not picking on CAL pilot's specifically, or the guys I mentioned, just pointing it out. SOME just simply may not be armed with the experience this whole process.
And no, I haven't been in the front of a CAL plane lately. I spent plenty of in the front on DAL/UAL BOTH pre 9/11 and post 9/11. Pre 9/11, it was interesting to hear the conversations of what they wanted and what they wouldn't settle for. Although they got A LOT in those CBA's, some of the talk would make you laugh.
After 9/11, it was the same. Guys would talk about what they want and what they won't settle for. It doesn't matter sector of the airlines guys work, or what company they work for. We pilots are all human. We will talk a tough game, but when the info in presented, the vote is made, you'd be surprised with how the chips fall. At my previous employer we went through plenty of negotiations. Some good, some not. It was the same, all of us talking, at the end making the decision that may or may not have been what it was before we had the info/facts.
I remember at my company, and UAL, and CAL when they took concessions, hearing guys always say "I voted no". I always wondered, if EVERYBODY seemed to vote NO, how did ANYTHING get passed?