skywest pilots that want skywest to buy expressjet
06-01-2008, 07:52 PM
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Why?
Why would any of us care at SKYW about xjet? Who cares. Another SkyW'r who sets the parking brake, turns off the cell phone and goes home to play with my kids.
And to the tool who posted the picture and "unionism" under it....
Ah, forget it. You'll never understand.
And to the tool who posted the picture and "unionism" under it....
Ah, forget it. You'll never understand.
06-01-2008, 08:47 PM
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On one hand, I would like the additional growth and job security. On the other, I certainly don't want it at the expense of someone losing their jobs or going back to first year pay, like Skyway. Like someone else said, how long will it be before it is me worrying about losing my job? If getting expressjet meant upgrades, who wouldn't want it? But at the expense of someone losing their jobs, I would rather not know that I am flying an airplane at the expense of someone who is now on the street.
I have come to believe that it is all a crap shoot. A year ago, Trans States is running one year upgrades and now those guys are back in the right seat. From what I have seen in three years in the 121 world, it is all luck.
So to answer your question I believe is a catch 22.
I have come to believe that it is all a crap shoot. A year ago, Trans States is running one year upgrades and now those guys are back in the right seat. From what I have seen in three years in the 121 world, it is all luck.
So to answer your question I believe is a catch 22.
Last edited by Koolaidman; 06-01-2008 at 10:03 PM.
06-02-2008, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf
i don't know why i waste my time. "thank you for playing"??? at least you made my point for me. good lord. thanks for hijacking the thread, guys. at least i got one real response. i still would like to know from the rest of the skywest pilots where your feelings fell on this thing...
Originally Posted by HermannGraf
talk about needing to relax.
Who do you think made the money for Skywest Inc. yes Skywest Airlines,....and the money that they paid for ASA?, Yes Skywest Airlines. And who do you think made all the cash that Skywest Inc is trying to invest in buying another company? Yes Skywest Airlines and in the future hopefully ASA too.
So when any of our pilots say that "we bought" another company like when we bought ASA it is because it was done with money that we among others working at Skywest Airlines made for Skywest Inc.
Without Skywest Airlines and the money from its operation Skywest Inc would not exist in the first place.
Skywest Airlines and Skywest Inc being two different companies is just a financial strategic (for tax, investment and financial protection) issue and we (at least me) does not see it like two different companies but more like two departments of the same company.
Who do you think made the money for Skywest Inc. yes Skywest Airlines,....and the money that they paid for ASA?, Yes Skywest Airlines. And who do you think made all the cash that Skywest Inc is trying to invest in buying another company? Yes Skywest Airlines and in the future hopefully ASA too.
So when any of our pilots say that "we bought" another company like when we bought ASA it is because it was done with money that we among others working at Skywest Airlines made for Skywest Inc.
Without Skywest Airlines and the money from its operation Skywest Inc would not exist in the first place.
Skywest Airlines and Skywest Inc being two different companies is just a financial strategic (for tax, investment and financial protection) issue and we (at least me) does not see it like two different companies but more like two departments of the same company.
Originally Posted by iahflyr
It is not over.
Lets no forget that CAL announced their plans to pull 51 aircraft from XJT, and to let their CPA expire in the next 4 years.
Because I have lots of friends still at Expressjet, I was hoping that the Skywest buyout would go through. XJT is losing money and their cash balance is starting to reach a critical phase.
I think the Skywest buyout could have been successful if done any one of several ways.
An all out merger of Skywest, ASA, and XJT
A merger of ASA/XJT and keeping non-union Skywest separate
What if XJT pilots traded the merge the seniority list scope for a scope clause that said "any and all future flying done by Skywest Inc on behalf of CAL will be done by XJT pilots."
There are plenty of ways this buyout could have been successful. I just wish a few of the XJT pilot APC members would have gone into this situation with an open mind.
Looking at the current scenarios, the best future for XJT pilots is to be bought by Skywest. Rather than trying to fight the buyout, XJT pilots should be negotiating with Skywest to ensure their future. If Skywest says no to an all-out merger, then come up with another offer. Offer XJT to be a separate company, but have them sign a LOA stating the XJT certificate cannot have less than 274 aircraft, or 25% of all Skywest Inc flying. There are plenty of solutions out there. Don't give up yet. I would hate to see XJT liquidate.
Honestly, the best thing for Skywest pilots is to see XJT fail and have SKW fly their 145's for CAL. But it sounds like most the Skywest pilots on this board (except Slaphappy) do want to see the XJT pilots treated better than that.
Lets no forget that CAL announced their plans to pull 51 aircraft from XJT, and to let their CPA expire in the next 4 years.
Because I have lots of friends still at Expressjet, I was hoping that the Skywest buyout would go through. XJT is losing money and their cash balance is starting to reach a critical phase.
I think the Skywest buyout could have been successful if done any one of several ways.
An all out merger of Skywest, ASA, and XJT
A merger of ASA/XJT and keeping non-union Skywest separate
What if XJT pilots traded the merge the seniority list scope for a scope clause that said "any and all future flying done by Skywest Inc on behalf of CAL will be done by XJT pilots."
There are plenty of ways this buyout could have been successful. I just wish a few of the XJT pilot APC members would have gone into this situation with an open mind.
Looking at the current scenarios, the best future for XJT pilots is to be bought by Skywest. Rather than trying to fight the buyout, XJT pilots should be negotiating with Skywest to ensure their future. If Skywest says no to an all-out merger, then come up with another offer. Offer XJT to be a separate company, but have them sign a LOA stating the XJT certificate cannot have less than 274 aircraft, or 25% of all Skywest Inc flying. There are plenty of solutions out there. Don't give up yet. I would hate to see XJT liquidate.
Honestly, the best thing for Skywest pilots is to see XJT fail and have SKW fly their 145's for CAL. But it sounds like most the Skywest pilots on this board (except Slaphappy) do want to see the XJT pilots treated better than that.
Also, the buyout scenarios are fine but the SKW didn't want that. They wanted the Holding Letter gone. Its too bad that SKW management didn't have an open mind to the XJT MEC's proposals. So its all moot now.
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Did Jerry pee in your Cheerios or something?? Hell, I wouldn't blame him...
Originally Posted by HermannGraf
I do not think that JA would say anything negative about ASA to us. What would be the point in that?
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
If our roles were reversed, I assure you I'd be echoing your exact sentiments. But what has you convinced that huge concessions would have been on your horizon??
Originally Posted by HermannGraf
What I know it was CAL that approached SKYW not the other way around. Buying XJT is taking responsability for them in the future and why do that? SKYW can get CAL flying without XJT.
Originally Posted by HermannGraf
Well what I know is that CAL is very interested of seing SKYW operate for them so they probably will find a way. CAL is looking for more diversity and knows that SKYW is the most solid of the regionals right now. That's a fact.
Originally Posted by HermannGraf
What I saw in the letter from CAL to XJT it said clearly that CAL wanted XJT to accept SKYW offer or they would loose the flying anyway. Maybe I read it wrong or did not understand it clearly...................
When I read that letter I found it very hard and could almost not believe CAL would send that to XJT.
When I read that letter I found it very hard and could almost not believe CAL would send that to XJT.
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06-02-2008, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Somehow I question your sincerity seeing as that Skywest pilots have their own private forum which you could post your question if you only want Skywest pilots responding.
06-02-2008, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf
well that sure makes a lot of sense. "question your sincerity" = "you're lying". so let's see here. do you have access to skywest's private forums? if so, what is your name on there, since you claim to not work for skywest, i'd be very interested to know how you have access to it. given that you probably don't have access to it, how is it that you think you know whether i posted this question on that forum? given that maybe 1/2 of 1% of skywest pilots read that private skywest forum, or even know of its existence, i thought i'd get a better turnout here. is that too complicated for you to understand? why in the world would you question my sincerity? how ludicrous. i may think your fascination/obsession with skywest is bizarre, and i may disagree with your neo-communist rantings regarding unions, but i certainly don't "question your sincerity". you're amazing.
Now with that out of the way, I do question your sincerity. If you only want SKW pilots to respond, then post it the place where only SKW pilots are able to respond. Otherwise, don't complain (or whatever you want to call it) when you get us non SKW pilots responding to a thread here that is supposed to be meant only for SKW pilots.By the way, I don't care one way or the other if you or anyone else here questions my sincerity or questions anything I write here. I don't take it personal.
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