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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HermannGraf
Well what I know is that CAL is very interested of seing SKYW operate for them so they probably will find a way. CAL is looking for more diversity and knows that SKYW is the most solid of the regionals right now. That's a fact.
There are no available aircraft in the market, and you're telling me that papa CAL will magically make them appear out of thin air? Whether or not CAL has interest in diversifying more feed is irrelevant, if the frames are not available, I suspect Colgan will be seeing more Q400 flying....welcome to reality my brother.

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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:34 PM
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From Tpersuit: Hermann I noticed you fly the CRJ-900, heres one for you...

Thanks for the nice pic but that is not a 900. It is our old aniversery 200 and I have not seen it since I was based in ORD. And yes I fly the 900 on the Delta side.
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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:37 PM
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Either way...stop acting like they have arbitrarily pulled the flying from CHQ, when the REALITY is our company knew going in that these airframes and flying would go away slowly starting this fall. I dont think it is in dispute that RAH mgt was hoping for ( not promised as some idiots on this board have stated ) that scope might be relaxed at CAL, that hasnt happened ( yet ... and anybody who uses the word NEVER is just delusional, I dont want it relaxed but never say never or you might just eat your words ) so we are living up to our end of th agreement....flying comes and goes in this business.... hell we had nearly 350 hours of DAL open time appear on our ATL open time reports AFTER the bids were published, it was flying that obviously somebody else couldnt cover and we could. Flying as a contractor as we all do comes and goes every month to some extent. When it all shakes out in the end I suspect the likes of SKW, XJT, AWAC and RAH will still be around.
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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HermannGraf
Thanks for the nice pic but that is not a 900. It is our old aniversery 200 and I have not seen it since I was based in ORD. And yes I fly the 900 on the Delta side.
I know it was a 200, just thought the pic was funny
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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Has there been a new press release or letter put out by CAL's people that I missed?

The deal that CAL negotiated with SKY was CONTINGENT on the buyout of XJT. This is DIRECTLY from the people at CAL. That contract that has "already" been negotiated referenced it in the original, no?

Like I said, if there has been a new release or letter, please post it.
What I saw in the letter from CAL to XJT it said clearly that CAL wanted XJT to accept SKYW offer or they would loose the flying anyway. Maybe I read it wrong or did not understand it clearly...................
When I read that letter I found it very hard and could almost not believe CAL would send that to XJT.
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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bond
There is no available aircraft in the market, and you're telling me that papa CAL will magically make them appear out of thin air? Whether or not CAL has interest in diversifying more feed is irrelevant, if the frames are not available, I suspect Colgan will be seeing more Q400 flying....welcome to reality my brother.
You LAX based?
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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HermannGraf
What I saw in the letter from CAL to XJT it said clearly that CAL wanted XJT to accept SKYW offer or they would loose the flying anyway. Maybe I read it wrong or did not understand it clearly...................
When I read that letter I found it very hard and could almost not believe CAL would send that to XJT.
Believe this copy/paste if you wish. OR, just search the forums for the copy of the original that SAAB posted when it came out;

"In connection with your consideration of such offer, we wanted to inform you of our understanding with SkyWest regarding a new capacity purchase agreement (“CPA”) and our intentions regarding our existing contractual relationship. First, we confirm that we have negotiated a new CPA with SkyWest, which would become effective if SkyWest is successful in acquiring ExpressJet (which, in turn, is subject to due diligence, among other things), and that we would consent to the change of control that would occur upon such an acquisition."

Like I said, if they have negotiated something SINCE then, please post it.

As far as being surprised that CAL would do that, we weren't. Not after they elected to exercise the option to pull the first 25%. Many guys thought that "CAL would never do that to us, they like us too much". Whatever, it's business, XJT was LUCKY to be operating under the umbrella of a CPA that was exclusive to CAL, kinda like AE for the relative "security" that it provided. CAL simply elected to do what just about every other legacy has done to their regional feed with the means that were at their disposal. Put the squeeze on and get the cost down, and diversify in the process.
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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tpersuit
You LAX based?
Negative...H-town, but LAX is my second home
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Old 05-31-2008 | 03:57 PM
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I dont think it is in dispute that RAH mgt was hoping for ( not promised as some idiots on this board have stated ) that scope might be relaxed at CAL, that hasnt happened ( yet ... and anybody who uses the word NEVER is just delusional
Talk to any CAL pilots lately? Not going to happen brother, but hey dreaming is free.

It's no secret that adding a new fleet type (CRJ 200) is an expensive task, and it was a gamble.....it didn't work and as you say easy comes, easy goes.
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Old 05-31-2008 | 04:09 PM
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Who said anything about dreaming. And I am on the record...SEVERAL times as saying that I would prefer scope not be relaxed. But let me also say I was at a meeting in 1993ish when the then Head of APA of which Eagle at the time was a part said in the most terse terms... that EAGLE pilots would NEVER ..NEVER ....NEVER fly jets for AMR.....

just saying NOTHING in this life or job is 100%. We can only hope the status quo stays what it is.
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