Originally Posted by
dontsurf
i don't know why i waste my time. "thank you for playing"??? at least you made my point for me. good lord. thanks for hijacking the thread, guys. at least i got one real response. i still would like to know from the rest of the skywest pilots where your feelings fell on this thing...
Somehow I question your sincerity seeing as that Skywest pilots have their own private forum which you could post your question if you only want Skywest pilots responding.
Originally Posted by
HermannGraf
talk about needing to relax.
Who do you think made the money for Skywest Inc. yes Skywest Airlines,....and the money that they paid for ASA?, Yes Skywest Airlines. And who do you think made all the cash that Skywest Inc is trying to invest in buying another company? Yes Skywest Airlines and in the future hopefully ASA too.
So when any of our pilots say that "we bought" another company like when we bought ASA it is because it was done with money that we among others working at Skywest Airlines made for Skywest Inc.
Without Skywest Airlines and the money from its operation Skywest Inc would not exist in the first place.
Skywest Airlines and Skywest Inc being two different companies is just a financial strategic (for tax, investment and financial protection) issue and we (at least me) does not see it like two different companies but more like two departments of the same company.
You should be upset that a
little bit of that money doesn't go to the you, the pilots, instead.
Originally Posted by
iahflyr
It is not over.
Lets no forget that CAL announced their plans to pull 51 aircraft from XJT, and to let their CPA expire in the next 4 years.
Because I have lots of friends still at Expressjet, I was hoping that the Skywest buyout would go through. XJT is losing money and their cash balance is starting to reach a critical phase.
I think the Skywest buyout could have been successful if done any one of several ways.
An all out merger of Skywest, ASA, and XJT
A merger of ASA/XJT and keeping non-union Skywest separate
What if XJT pilots traded the merge the seniority list scope for a scope clause that said "any and all future flying done by Skywest Inc on behalf of CAL will be done by XJT pilots."
There are plenty of ways this buyout could have been successful. I just wish a few of the XJT pilot APC members would have gone into this situation with an open mind.
Looking at the current scenarios, the best future for XJT pilots is to be bought by Skywest. Rather than trying to fight the buyout, XJT pilots should be negotiating with Skywest to ensure their future. If Skywest says no to an all-out merger, then come up with another offer. Offer XJT to be a separate company, but have them sign a LOA stating the XJT certificate cannot have less than 274 aircraft, or 25% of all Skywest Inc flying. There are plenty of solutions out there. Don't give up yet. I would hate to see XJT liquidate.
Honestly, the best thing for Skywest pilots is to see XJT fail and have SKW fly their 145's for CAL. But it sounds like most the Skywest pilots on this board (except Slaphappy) do want to see the XJT pilots treated better than that.
That "announcement" as you call it, is just a negotiating tactic on CAL. It leaves the door way open for XJT to come to terms on a CPA with the savings on the magnitude that SKW was offering.
Also, the buyout scenarios are fine but the SKW didn't want that. They wanted the Holding Letter gone. Its too bad that SKW management didn't have an open mind to the XJT MEC's proposals. So its all moot now.
Originally Posted by
ExperimentalAB
Did Jerry pee in your Cheerios or something?? Hell, I wouldn't blame him...
He tried to but was blocked by the XJT pilots.
Originally Posted by
HermannGraf
I do not think that JA would say anything negative about ASA to us. What would be the point in that?
So who would he say those negative things to?
Originally Posted by
ExperimentalAB
If our roles were reversed, I assure you I'd be echoing your exact sentiments. But what has you convinced that huge concessions would have been on your horizon??
The term "cost competitive" comes to mind.
Originally Posted by
HermannGraf
What I know it was CAL that approached SKYW not the other way around. Buying XJT is taking responsability for them in the future and why do that? SKYW can get CAL flying without XJT.
This is why this was a negotiating tactic on CAL's part. They approached SKW to have them put a deal together. They then put out this letter telling XJT to give them that same deal. CAL played everyone on this one.
Originally Posted by
HermannGraf
Well what I know is that CAL is very interested of seing SKYW operate for them so they probably will find a way. CAL is looking for more diversity and knows that SKYW is the most solid of the regionals right now. That's a fact.
They were just using SKW as a negotiating tactic. CAL wins whether XJT remains independent or if SKW buys them. CAL doesn't care either way.
Originally Posted by
HermannGraf
What I saw in the letter from CAL to XJT it said clearly that CAL wanted XJT to accept SKYW offer or they would loose the flying anyway. Maybe I read it wrong or did not understand it clearly...................
When I read that letter I found it very hard and could almost not believe CAL would send that to XJT.
No, it said XJT would lose the flying ONLY IF XJT doesn't provide the savings on the magnitude that SKW was offering.