Originally Posted by
ScopingItOut
The saga continues. So I was on call 2359 to 859. I was given a trip that reports at 740, take off 832. It's a turn and back 1324 landing. Isn't FAR 10 hours and 1 leg when you are on call at 2359? Crew Scheduling has screwed me over endless times, rerouting me into golden days when I've been home base landed on my last leg, not applying PB, etc. So is this a violation?
The last few posts have had technically correct points about usage of start of RAP and start of FDP and their relevance, but I think the differences have been a bit muddy. Both the RAP start time AND the FDP report time are required to complete the exercise. So here goes:
1) FDP report time is used to determine where to enter the FAR 117 table to determine maximum FDP.
2) Time elapsed between RAP start and FDP report, up to 4 hours, is added to the time taken from the FAR 117 table to determine maximum RAP+FDP (but not to exceed 16 total). Call this x hours.
3) RAP start time is used to determine the beginning point in time to determine the end of the legal FDP. I.e. RAP start + x hours = FAR 117 limit.
TL/DR the mistake here was incorrectly entering the FAR 117 table using the RAP start time rather than the FDP report time, as both TALPA and tennis mentioned.
Once these fundamentals are down, then we can talk about PWA scheduled FDP limits which further complicate the subject. But what's above will at least keep you cool with the FAA.