Originally Posted by captnate702

are you saying that the NMB doesn't care how management's proposed rates compare to the industry and/or peer groups? how can you say that with a straight face? of course the NMB considers what is happening when deciding whether management is bargaining in good faith. you cannot possibly be that naive.

if one party is making ridiculous offers for rates and retirement how would the NMB know whether those offers are reasonable or ridiculous if they didn't look at the industry and peer groups? again, anybody who has actually sat through mediation will tell you that the NMB is perfectly aware about how rates and retirement stack - work rules not as much, but rates and retirement absolutely.

i don't compare NK's concession contract to our current CBA that is nearly 10 years old. I compare it to what management has offered thus far, and management's offer is more than 20% higher in total compensation than NK's concession contract when you combine rates and retirement contribution (NK taking a 50% haircut in retirement is shocking honestly). those things matter when it comes to us gaining leverage with the NMB. the only way we will gain leverage is through the NMB leaning on management so the threat of self-help is real. how do we gain that leverage?

what i really take issue with is the stupid Skiles and his last comm about the election where he started talking about the time value of money and how blue skies doesn't understand TMV. that was an absurd thing to say and makes me more convinced that Skiles is a trump wannabe - a blowhard with no substance who thinks he has style. if the union or the NC actually understood TMV and believed that it was a guiding principle in negotiations then they would have advocated for a quick deal years ago. anybody under the age of 45 has lost millions of dollars that they will never recover because of the TMV had we entered into a quick deal, with rates 5% higher than the brochure rates and 15% retirement.

it is just so tiresome hearing pilots talk in silos and echo chambers about "industry standard" rates and retirement and then we have the Union feeding that false hope, creating expectations that will never get met. the vast majority of pilots here don't want to holdout hope for the slim chance that we get a legacy contract and the stars align. hope is not a strategy. a TA that continues us to fly day trips and essentially work part time but pays less than the legacies will get voted in by 80%. but the union doesn't want a 70-80% yes vote, they want a 99% yes vote so they can cheerlead, puff up their ego and get promoted to better and bigger things. that is what Unterseher has been about since he stopped flying at world - he's an ego driven politician that pretends to be a former pilot.