Originally Posted by John Carr

And I'll bite back.



We ALL know that, I'm not disputing ANY of that. The 80's was 40+ years ago, and guess what? Progress has been made. That rationale lasted till maybe the late 90's/early 2000's. By that era, the whole "we just never thought that was an option for us" blah blah blah simply isn't valid anymore.

One side wants to CONSTANTLY cling onto the past injustices and NOT acknowledge that progress has ACTUALLY happened. I'm with Morgan Freeman on this one.

One side STILL wants to scream "we don't have enough diversity in our cockpits!!!!!!!. Agreed, so get to work on that on the INPUT level. Which, certain organizations have been doing for decades now.

Anecdotal;

I went to an aviation college, but NOT one of the more well known ones by ANY MEANS. Orientation day, and the Dean of the department comes in and says "look left, look right, statistically, only ONE of you will end up an airline pilot when this is all said and done"

A certain moderator always, ALWAYS makes the point during these discussions. Now, it's STILL and input issue. If you were to go into an elementary class room, and assume the gender (if you believe in gender) is close to 50/50. If the question is asked "how many of you would like to be a pilot?" If one thinks that on ANY given day it would anything close to a 50/50 split is nothing but an idealist.....

To parrot a certain pundit, "when trying to solve a problem, we often go way to far.



^^^^^^^THIS, and any corporation would NEVER release that info.

To add on to a statement ALSO made by the UAL manager of pilot selection;

"Our average new hire white male has X amount of flight time, Y amount of PIC time, and Z amount of type ratings. For a minority or a female, it's HALF THAT".