Aairline DEI programs are still risking lives
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I almost ALWAYS like/agree with your cryptic commentary, especially in the Ukraine threads. Almost, ALMOST on par with "FADEC"
But RATIONAL people can disagree.....
What do I get to label/assess "you come as a bit (insert here) fwiw," you?
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"I have justifications/rationales for my behaviour and words"
You think you're the ONLY one that exercises that?
We are the sum of our experiences. I don't expect you to be able to understand/relate to mine (or anyone else), I wouldn't expect it. I hope you're not naive enough to assume anyone has to do that to you. "can't change you're beginnings".
Not passing judgement, just feedback......
You have a goodnight sir.
And if you've been "not out there since a while now" as you state, enjoy your retirement/separation from the job.
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Translation;
"I have justifications/rationales for my behaviour and words"
You think you're the ONLY one that exercises that?
We are the sum of our experiences. I don't expect you to be able to understand/relate to mine (or anyone else), I wouldn't expect it. I hope you're not naive enough to assume anyone has to do that to you. "can't change you're beginnings".
Not passing judgement, just feedback......
You have a goodnight sir.
And if you've been "not out there since a while now" as you state, enjoy your retirement/separation from the job.
"I have justifications/rationales for my behaviour and words"
You think you're the ONLY one that exercises that?
We are the sum of our experiences. I don't expect you to be able to understand/relate to mine (or anyone else), I wouldn't expect it. I hope you're not naive enough to assume anyone has to do that to you. "can't change you're beginnings".
Not passing judgement, just feedback......
You have a goodnight sir.
And if you've been "not out there since a while now" as you state, enjoy your retirement/separation from the job.
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One merely has to look at the pictures of the new-hire classes at United for the last 5 or 6 years to see that it's still an overwhelmingly white male dominated place. Statements by any company or HR person are calculated to "sell" something - in this case DEI is the sale-du-jour.
But it never happened at any real scale at United - certainly not half. United does (I believe) have the highest % of women pilots and I've flown with scores of them over the years. Hold on to your hats - it's like 7% of the pilots at U are women. And U leads the U.S. with that too - LUV had like 4%...
Over the 30 years that I flew at United, I've flew with all the alledged "DEI Hires" and I will tell you they are/were ALL good pilots that put up with a ration of schidt white guys didn't.
I can't tell you how many times someone would poke their heads into the cockpit to ask something - the gate agent, purser, passenger, mechanic, etc. and they'd address me - the junior white guy F/O in the right seat and not the black, asian, female, etc. Captain. It's deeply baked into the American phyche to just ASSume the white guy is in charge. (Our current "situation" is a good example of reverse DEI...)
So did I want to have dinner and a beer with them, some yes, some no... just like the white guys I've flown with. The % is the same whether white, black, male, female, gay, straight, etc. Same % are really great to fly with - super proficient, and people you enjoy a burger and beer and conversation with on a trip. Same % are competent pilots who you will slam-click. Same % are at best average - safe, but not raising the bar for a professional pilot. I never flew with anyone who I wouldn't put my family on their plane.
Anyone who's flown for any length of time knows, everyone has a lull in their career, God know's I did. Maybe it's a few days, a trip, or even several months while they deal with some personal problem(s). Illness at home, divorce, death in the family, etc. If you haven't had that in your own life yet, get ready for it because it happens to all of us eventually. And maybe, just maybe you extend some grace to that "DEI" pilot you're paired with who may be having one of those issues in addition to putting up with the racism and misogyny that exists. Turns out it's just as easy to assume the best about someone versus the worst...
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But it never happened at any real scale at United - certainly not half. United does (I believe) have the highest % of women pilots and I've flown with scores of them over the years. Hold on to your hats - it's like 7% of the pilots at U are women. And U leads the U.S. with that too - LUV had like 4%...
Over the 30 years that I flew at United, I've flew with all the alledged "DEI Hires" and I will tell you they are/were ALL good pilots that put up with a ration of schidt white guys didn't.
I can't tell you how many times someone would poke their heads into the cockpit to ask something - the gate agent, purser, passenger, mechanic, etc. and they'd address me - the junior white guy F/O in the right seat and not the black, asian, female, etc. Captain. It's deeply baked into the American phyche to just ASSume the white guy is in charge. (Our current "situation" is a good example of reverse DEI...)
So did I want to have dinner and a beer with them, some yes, some no... just like the white guys I've flown with. The % is the same whether white, black, male, female, gay, straight, etc. Same % are really great to fly with - super proficient, and people you enjoy a burger and beer and conversation with on a trip. Same % are competent pilots who you will slam-click. Same % are at best average - safe, but not raising the bar for a professional pilot. I never flew with anyone who I wouldn't put my family on their plane.
Anyone who's flown for any length of time knows, everyone has a lull in their career, God know's I did. Maybe it's a few days, a trip, or even several months while they deal with some personal problem(s). Illness at home, divorce, death in the family, etc. If you haven't had that in your own life yet, get ready for it because it happens to all of us eventually. And maybe, just maybe you extend some grace to that "DEI" pilot you're paired with who may be having one of those issues in addition to putting up with the racism and misogyny that exists. Turns out it's just as easy to assume the best about someone versus the worst...
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Beats me what database they used, or criteria, they used for the article. Some of the basic 'facts' are wrong so taking their entire 'facts' might be questionable.
But YOU can look up the data yourself. Define the criteria and spend some time researching NTSB reports, photos, obits, FAA pilot database, etc, and come up with your own results.
Next you have to define how you will separate any group from the others. Then make some decent assumptions on what percentage of the active pilots belong to whatever group you're trying to get the data for.
It's out there, it just takes hours to accomplish.
https://aviation-safety.net/
But YOU can look up the data yourself. Define the criteria and spend some time researching NTSB reports, photos, obits, FAA pilot database, etc, and come up with your own results.
Next you have to define how you will separate any group from the others. Then make some decent assumptions on what percentage of the active pilots belong to whatever group you're trying to get the data for.
It's out there, it just takes hours to accomplish.
https://aviation-safety.net/
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