Originally Posted by
METO Guido
Zip. We’re not getting played. Commercial traffic on the high seas, in the sky, over land routes must flow. Israel’s bond to the US is non-negotiable and any dope from head of state to donkey cart driver knows it.
Non-negotiable, maybe only because the bond is a slavery bond, and the US is not the master.
Commercial traffic on the high seas was doing great until the US did the master's bidding this year.
Originally Posted by
AAdvocate
Wow, take off the tin foil hat dude.
You really think that Bibi or Donald are crazy enough to want to want skip the cheaper, easier step and go straight into the bombing? Brother, that's even more tinfoil.
Originally Posted by
rickair7777
How can I "admit" to something I have nothing to do with?
It's not "blackmail" (unless they have really compromising pics of somebody). It would simply be IL stating that they have reached the point where they need to do XYZ. While offering an alternative to XYZ, if the US helps out. That's communication and negotiation, not blackmail.
Blackmail doesn't need to be pictures of a certain person (Epstein style). There is nuclear blackmail/extortion (Samson option) too. Then there's also just the inappropriate leverage that they wield over their benefactor - "We're gonna bomb them unless you bomb them first, and you have to do it by this day" and who knows what other threats they've made or insinuated privately. Donald is definitely terrified of getting JFK'ed or having his family killed for calling them on their BS.
Originally Posted by
rickair7777
IL doesn't believe anything IR says.
IL's decision will be based entirely on their own (and maybe US) intel and their own assessments. It certainly doesn't help when IR leaders threaten to nuke TLV... for that reason the IL red-line will be based on capability, not assessed intent.
As you know but for the benefit of others, there's a very old military axiom that you must plan for what the enemy is *capable* of doing, not what you *expect* him to do. Otherwise you're subject to a rude awakening.
IL fed the US all the lies about Iraq, claiming that they were capable of nukes, etc. The amount of human lives lost in Iraq because of that is over one million counting excess deaths. The US taxpayers also lost over trillion dollars, who knows how many lives in the US could have been saved by using that money domestically to solve issues at home.
There is little doubt that the intel they feed the US now may be hyperbole or completely untrue. Would it really be shocking if IL fed the US incorrect intel that led to the school in IR being bombed? The more Iranian civilians that die, the less likely the US is able to pull out of doing IL's dirty work, that's a huge motivator for IL to make sure that collateral damage is maximized.
Originally Posted by
HooverPilot
why do we have to give a **** about IL? Why are we in a non-negotiable bond with them? I wish we would renegotiate.
Blackmail, extortion, politicians thinking that a million or two in AIPAC donations is worth squandering their children's future away? who knows exactly why.