Originally Posted by
JamesNoBrakes
Wut? Don't take my word for it, here it is straight from the White House, their program was obliterated in 2025:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/...are-fake-news/
And because they threatened the US at one time, we should invade them? That would pretty much apply to at least half of the world at some time in the past. They didn't fly any airliners into US buildings, or surprise-attack our harbors. This does nothing but raise the cost of gas, create supply issues and spawn the next generation of terrorists where bombs have been dropped. Mark my words, this will have consequences in the future and for our kid's futures. The US going and messing with any country it pleases and dropping bombs when there is no actual threat to the US is what makes this perpetual.
Hell, this isn't even like where we have the Budapest Agreement with Ukraine and how
they actually got invaded, prompting us to help supply weapons, but not even take direct military action, like we have in Iran. This is just insane. This should have been a 100% Israel action and even then we would have been still supporting Israel with weapons and other support, but at least we wouldn't have been fighting their war for them.
THIS!
Your major point about future consequences and how it creates perpetual enemies and perpetual war is at the heart of the 'real politik' criticism. ( moral travesties and evil have been largely absent from the national discussion in America. It is front and center in other nations of the world)
The lack of "and then what happens?" thought is absolutely astounding. And Israeli political leaders are just as guilty of it as the US donkeys.
The world had an agreement that for FIFTEEN years had Iran:
Give up 98% of its enriched uranium.
Destroy 2/3 of its centrifuges.
Agree to not enrich uranium beyond 3.x%.
Submit to inspections from multinational experts.
And they were in compliance.
And this was for FIFTEEN YEARS!
Iran got in return:
The return of some of its cash that had been frozen.
An easing of sanctions. ( which didn't happen due largely domestic Israeli and Americcentrifuge.
What we caused by pulling out of the agreement:
A closing of the door that may have lead to gradually returning Iran to the global workings of the nations.
A confirmation that regarding US/Iranian relations, that any diplomacy with America is essentially impossible. That due to how the American executive has evolved, any agreements made lack continuity and surety.
That the USA cannot be trusted to keep its word.
A belief that Iran was faced with the same conditions that evolved regarding Iraq during the Clinton years.
That is that it didn't matter what they did. Nothing they could do would satisfy certain powerful segments of both Israeli and American polity, other than capitulation.
Hence:
By reckless thoughtless action, Iran again was returned to a state of perpetual war.
Human nature being what it is, the assassination of Iran's leaders and initiation of war, all while involved in negotiations, "has awakened (some ordinary Iranians), and filled them with a terrible resolve."
Back to James observation.
There will be consequences.
There may be a long geststional period.
It may Illustrate how truly infantile obsession with the stock market is, as I fear the consequences will involve what truly matters.