Originally Posted by
RJSAviator76
Just the facts, huh? Bush Sr. did not start the Gulf War... Saddam Hussein did when he invaded Kuwait.
Kuwait is not the United States.
Did you completely forget Somalia? How about Bosnia? How about the 1998 airstrikes in Iraq (Operation Desert Fox)? How about Operation Allied Force and the bombing of Yugoslavia? All executed under Bill Clinton.
Skirmishes, with limited amount of U.S. soldiers involved. Not wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran.
Did you also conveniently forget who launched the 2011 intervention in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi (who actually voluntarily gave up his nuclear weapon program), or expanded drone warfare globally to include countless strikes in your native country? That was Barack Obama.
Yes. Correct. But again, not wars. Just as I didn’t say the U.S. launched a war against Venezuela when Trump removed Maduro.
Furthermore, your attempt to blame a single party completely ignores how the American legislative system actually works. The Iraq War AUMF passed with the overwhelming support of high-profile Democrats... think Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Chuck Schumer. The post-9/11 Afghanistan AUMF passed nearly unanimously, with only a single dissenting vote in the entire Congress. Global security and regional containment are institutional, bipartisan realities, not partisan theater.
Yes, the rare moment of unity we had post 9/11. Still was an ill-thought out war. We wanted to attack someone, that ended up being Iraq and Afghanistan. Not that we are any safer today. 20 yrs in Afghanistan and today it’s still the Taliban in power. You have any commentary on the U.S. soldier lives sacrificed and wasted over 20 yrs in Afghanistan, now that we have Taliban there still?
Your claim that Iranian proxy attacks in Iraq were "just war" because you disliked the initial 2003 invasion is a complete distortion of history. The United States was engaged in stabilizing a sovereign nation, fighting a brutal internal insurgency, and dismantling transnational terror groups like Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
Oh so it was out of benevolence we started the Iraq war?
The US was not at war with Iran. Iran was never a combatant in that conflict. Instead, the regime chose to act as a covert, unprovoked aggressor. They weaponized a sovereign border to smuggle EFP's to maximize American body counts. This was not a weapon built by desperate insurgents. By dismissing the state-sponsored slaughter of 603 troops as a natural reaction to a "stupid war," you aren't providing a historical analysis. You are explicitly normalizing a hostile foreign dictatorship launching cross-border proxy attacks against American troops. It is an outright defense of state-sponsored terrorism.
They were militia who were dealt with and mostly eliminated. I don’t like it when any U.S. soldiers die. The WH estimate is 600 out of over 4,000 dead were Iran backed militias. My point is, it was dealt with when those militias were taken out. Or go attack Iran when our troops were being actively harmed. Not 20 yrs later under 5 different named reasons as to why we attacked Iran on Feb 28 and started this new war.
I'll be even more blunt... your position is born of either staggering gullibility or deliberate malice. To view the IRGC’s decades of calculated proxy slaughter as mere "fighting back" requires a level of naivety that is terrifying, or it is outright terrorist sympathizing. There is no third option. When you continuously excuse the targeted murder of our troops and make excuses for a regime that actively manufactures weapons to kill Americans, and also happens to gun down tens of thousands of their own citizens who oppose the regime, you are literally operating as a terrorist sympathizer on this forum.
Or you could just leave the ME alone. Like what most of the world chooses to do. Weird how others don’t seem to be struggling or losing soldiers to any militant proxies in any ME country. Israel’s security should cost 0 US soldier lives.
If you genuinely believe your own arguments, you are acting as a useful idiot for a theocracy that has no qualms about gunning down their own citizens who disagree with them. If you don't believe them, then you are willfully carrying water for a terrorist state while reaping the immense economic privileges of the very country you claim to love. Like I said... you're either extremely naive, or sinister and malevolent.
No one cared about Rhongiya’s genocide or Chinese crack downs of the Uighur people. Thousands were slaughtered and we didn’t nothing. My view is a simple one. No more new wars, yet another ME war, breeding future terrorists, and starting a war after “obliterating” their nuclear facilities - any suggestions otherwise are fake news - the same WH source that gave you the 603 killed number.
Lastly, know your audience. I'm also a naturalized citizen. I know exactly what it means to choose this country and swear an oath to it, but unlike you, I don't use my free speech to carry water for foreign terrorists who chant "Death to America." The First Amendment protects your right to post anti-American BS without the government arresting you. It does not protect your blatant anti-Americanism from being challenged, exposed, and dismantled by fellow citizens using hard facts. Free speech goes both ways. You are entirely free to speak your mind, and we are entirely free to call out your blatant double standards, your historical ignorance, and your total lack of consistency.
My audience here is the one calling for nuclear bombardment to “get it over with.” Or more bombing to create future terrorists, so our kids generations can one day face yet another 9/11 type attack here. No thank you. I don’t want a part in which we help breed tomorrow’s terrorists.
It is NOT anti-Americanism to question and call out actions that the current administration is taking. To suggest so - especially as a naturalized citizen yourself - is shocking.