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Old Today | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Blockade is putting pressure on Iran. Sounds like you can't take the pressure and would rather we start bombing the crap out of them or totally capitulate. Which one do you want? My guess is capitulation because it would be a loss for Trump and people like you would love to see that no matter how harmful it is the the U.S., just like Shumer and Hakeem do.
oahhhh did lowslung hurt your feelings? Cant have a conversation without it immediately devolving into your crazy extremist partisan take? Show us on the doll where 50% of America touched you.

its certainly entertaining watching you and shy melt down into your little baby political rants. Why the mods let it go is beyond me
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Old Today | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
oahhhh did lowslung hurt your feelings? Cant have a conversation without it immediately devolving into your crazy extremist partisan take? Show us on the doll where 50% of America touched you.

its certainly entertaining watching you and shy melt down into your little baby political rants. Why the mods let it go is beyond me

huh? What about my post wasn't truthful? Meltdown harder next time, why do mods allow pointless posts like yours is beyond me
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Old Today | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Blockade is putting pressure on Iran. Sounds like you can't take the pressure and would rather we start bombing the crap out of them or totally capitulate. Which one do you want? My guess is capitulation because it would be a loss for Trump and people like you would love to see that no matter how harmful it is the the U.S., just like Shumer and Hakeem do.

Military action on hold, more negotiations for tomorrow. What day of the week is tomorrow, and what’s that favorite Mexican food dish?
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Old Today | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Blockade is putting pressure on Iran. Sounds like you can't take the pressure and would rather we start bombing the crap out of them or totally capitulate. Which one do you want? My guess is capitulation because it would be a loss for Trump and people like you would love to see that no matter how harmful it is the the U.S., just like Shumer and Hakeem do.
“People like you”
Give it a rest dude. All of the people I know want what’s best for this country, regardless of political affiliation. Where we differ is how we get there. I genuinely believe you are grossly misguided if you believe the blockade will put any meaningful pressure on the Iranian regime in any kind of timeline that does not include major backlash from the American people due to rapidly increasing energy (and therefore everything else) prices. You can disagree if you like, but I haven’t heard a cogent argument yet as to how a blockade leads to regime collapse in any sort of reasonable timeline.

On the contrary, the current regime has weathered aggressive decapitation attempts, months of heavy bombing, domestic political unrest, sanctions, and now a blockade. And that doesn’t even consider what they’ve been able to weather in the long term, like an 8 year war with Iraq or various levels sanctions. What in their recent and/or not so recent history leads you to believe that any amount of pressure we apply will change their resolve? Are you just hoping the current tack will work, or are you aware of some vulnerability in the regime that the rest of the world has missed for the last five decades?

Look, I’m no fan of the Iranian regime. I’d love to see it go away & never come back. But I just don’t see the scenario where we walk away from this thing having toppled them, or even having secured their nuclear material, without seriously destabilizing our own country.
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Old Today | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Military action on hold, more negotiations for tomorrow. What day of the week is tomorrow, and what’s that favorite Mexican food dish?
Good day for Nacho and a President who is Not Afraid Confronting Hard Obstacles.
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Old Today | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
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Give it a rest dude. All of the people I know want what’s best for this country, regardless of political affiliation. Where we differ is how we get there. I genuinely believe you are grossly misguided if you believe the blockade will put any meaningful pressure on the Iranian regime in any kind of timeline that does not include major backlash from the American people due to rapidly increasing energy (and therefore everything else) prices. You can disagree if you like, but I haven’t heard a cogent argument yet as to how a blockade leads to regime collapse in any sort of reasonable timeline.

On the contrary, the current regime has weathered aggressive decapitation attempts, months of heavy bombing, domestic political unrest, sanctions, and now a blockade. And that doesn’t even consider what they’ve been able to weather in the long term, like an 8 year war with Iraq or various levels sanctions. What in their recent and/or not so recent history leads you to believe that any amount of pressure we apply will change their resolve? Are you just hoping the current tack will work, or are you aware of some vulnerability in the regime that the rest of the world has missed for the last five decades?

Look, I’m no fan of the Iranian regime. I’d love to see it go away & never come back. But I just don’t see the scenario where we walk away from this thing having toppled them, or even having secured their nuclear material, without seriously destabilizing our own country.
Your post history dictates otherwise.
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Every week the US gets another offer. Trumps strange but true “he’s crazy enough to do it” tactics are bringing them to some sort of table. The siege tactics would be my choice. Might have to follow up with a very specific military target to keep the pressure up, but avoid civilian casualties. Employ strategic deterrence/cooperation through negotiations with the Chinese (somewhat complete/mixed results but we don’t know what was set outside of the press). A week in time is much harder for them than us right now.
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Old Today | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Exactly, it is bread through radicalism, extremism, religious ideologies. In most instances is going to happen no matter what you do. 9/11 happened after 10 years where the United States basically had zero military action in the Middle East.
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Not quite as simple. You can’t just compare WWII Hitler followers (amazingly, those follower behavior reminds of some modern times here).

It’s been decades of US foreign policy in the ME, one sided support is Israel at the expense of all else, even whey the rest of the world censures them, taking over land with air and naval bases by influencing the people in charge - royals. Bin Laden was a Saudi who was exiled, one of the reasons he was vocal against the govt for capitulating to the west and selling out what he felt was their country. Ironically, the biggest Muslim ally in the ME is Saudia Arabia, which has some of the worst human right oppressions. Until recently, women couldn’t drive, women had to be accompanied by a male figure when in public, and they have a religious morality police separate from the normal police. The religious police that runs a blind eye to drinking, drugs, and women for the underground parties the Prince types have. But will cane, beat, or cut off the hand of a civilian thief. But hey, friendly to the U.S. so we can ignore all that.



If there was some magic wand that was waved in which all US bases in Saudi would close, and all US military folks would be instantly brought home, and zero support from the the U.S. to Saudis, the royal family’s days inside Saudia would be numbered. They’d last a week, maybe a month at most. They’d all pull an Assad and evac themselves to some foreign country. Or be executed by the public.

Bin Laden orchestrated 9/11 and had wanted to hit the U.S. for what he perceived were western injustices in the ME since Israel after WWII. To say we didn’t do anything in 10 yrs after the Gulf War ignores the larger picture and decades of history.
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Old Today | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Good day for Nacho and a President who is Not Afraid Confronting Hard Obstacles.
How about our approaching 40 trillion dollar debt? How about housing, which increased about twice in new construction doubling supply, while the money supply increased by 30, sending housing soaring? How about the SS trust fund and the inevitable math with that?

Those are “Hard Obstacles.” Iran is a sideshow distraction for Trump.
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