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Old Yesterday | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Previous POTUS claimed high gas prices was just something the U.S. populace SHOULD bear to help Ukraine…..
While at the same time Europe, our Allies and who requested our help with Ukraine, was giving Russia tens of billions of dollars because they needed their oil. Why did they need their oil so bad? Because of their own hilariously disastrous clean energy policies.
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Old Yesterday | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Regardless of if that's taken out of context, that's a country that was actually invaded. Not pretend like Iran invading the US.
How many U.S. citizens does a country need to actively seek and kill with purpose before they are considered hostile? Do our Allies in Europe still hold the capability to defend itself against aggression? If they don't why not? What changed with their policies over the last few decades? How much longer should U.S. tax payers subsidize their social programs by picking up their slack on defense spending? Do you consider a strong deference a diplomatic arm of a sovereign's government?

Never mind, I highly doubt you think that deep about your statements.
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Old Yesterday | 09:52 AM
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Folks, we are at ENDGAME

The weekly EIA distillates report this Wednesday and/or next Wednesday will be key. US Diesel inventories are already near commercial operational minimums and if we see continued draws in what should be stocking season ahead of Summer demand the Diesel price will go vertical injecting unprecedented levels of inflation into the economy. Remember diesel demand is inelastic due to its critical part in the transportation logistics of our food and goods here in the states

The other wild card to watch is the Bond market, particularly the 10 and 30 year Treasury Yields. If yields continue to spike Bond market could crack raising the cost of capital of nearly every business and consumer loan. Fed tries to intervene by cutting interest rates and printing more money here come stagflation. US dollar could become toilet paper. Got Gold or Gold Miners?

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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
How many U.S. citizens does a country need to actively seek and kill with purpose before they are considered hostile? Do our Allies in Europe still hold the capability to defend itself against aggression? If they don't why not? What changed with their policies over the last few decades? How much longer should U.S. tax payers subsidize their social programs by picking up their slack on defense spending? Do you consider a strong deference a diplomatic arm of a sovereign's government?

Never mind, I highly doubt you think that deep about your statements.
That is way too slippery of a slope and I suspect you know it. I'm not sure we would have any allies in the world with that criteria. Not that it's ok to murder citizens, it's not, but direct military action should be based on a clear threat to US citizens. No problems letting Europe pick up a bigger tab, that means we should be stepping out of other country's conflicts. It seems like some people have been frothing at the mouth for decades to invade Iran and start a war with it. Not for any specific action or threat from Iran, but for similar reasons to Vietnam where some people decide that other people in a different country should not be living the way that they are. One of the reasons I believe that our military actions have to be based on clear and real threats, not "nuke program was obliterated last year"-reasons, is because 30 years down the road we'll be dealing with the entire new generation of terrorists we spawned from these actions. I believe that when we have morally-clear actions/threats/objectives, that is much less likely.
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
That is way too slippery of a slope and I suspect you know it. I'm not sure we would have any allies in the world with that criteria. Not that it's ok to murder citizens, it's not, but direct military action should be based on a clear threat to US citizens. No problems letting Europe pick up a bigger tab, that means we should be stepping out of other country's conflicts. It seems like some people have been frothing at the mouth for decades to invade Iran and start a war with it. Not for any specific action or threat from Iran, but for similar reasons to Vietnam where some people decide that other people in a different country should not be living the way that they are. One of the reasons I believe that our military actions have to be based on clear and real threats, not "nuke program was obliterated last year"-reasons, is because 30 years down the road we'll be dealing with the entire new generation of terrorists we spawned from these actions. I believe that when we have morally-clear actions/threats/objectives, that is much less likely.
ahhh, the good ole terrorist breeding myth. How come the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history occurred after basically 10 years of foreign isolationism and orchestrated from the same people who we helped and support in their fight against the Russians? Why aren't we seeing continued terrorist attacks from the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan? Were Germans orchestrating terrorist attacks against the U.S. in the 50s and 60s? What about the Japanese? Still waiting for the first Vietnamese terrorist attack.
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
That is way too slippery of a slope and I suspect you know it. I'm not sure we would have any allies in the world with that criteria. Not that it's ok to murder citizens, it's not, but direct military action should be based on a clear threat to US citizens. No problems letting Europe pick up a bigger tab, that means we should be stepping out of other country's conflicts. It seems like some people have been frothing at the mouth for decades to invade Iran and start a war with it. Not for any specific action or threat from Iran, but for similar reasons to Vietnam where some people decide that other people in a different country should not be living the way that they are. One of the reasons I believe that our military actions have to be based on clear and real threats, not "nuke program was obliterated last year"-reasons, is because 30 years down the road we'll be dealing with the entire new generation of terrorists we spawned from these actions. I believe that when we have morally-clear actions/threats/objectives, that is much less likely.
Agree. Vietnamization, didn’t work. Iraqification, no. Afghan turnover, same, same. Can’t win a damn thing like that. But regime reversal Persia, oh yeah. This time we got it.
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
How many U.S. citizens does a country need to actively seek and kill with purpose before they are considered hostile? Do our Allies in Europe still hold the capability to defend itself against aggression? If they don't why not? What changed with their policies over the last few decades? How much longer should U.S. tax payers subsidize their social programs by picking up their slack on defense spending? Do you consider a strong deference a diplomatic arm of a sovereign's government?

Never mind, I highly doubt you think that deep about your statements.

Iran has not killed citizens in the 50 states of the United States. In the Iraq war, it is estimated 600 soldiers may have been killed by Iran backed militias inside Iraq. A war zone. And one we started. That’s a vastly different scenario than what you are trying to paint.
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Old Yesterday | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Do you know when was that estimate done and what transpired since then? A small hint... that intelligence was grossly out of date. Care to guess by how much? You can easily verify it and report back....



Uh huh... buried. Now we play whack-a-mole unless they give up on the nukes.... that's the net effect of having a fanatical regime hellbent on acquiring nuclear weapons. And you seem to love the idea of them having it as you said so yourself.



Just as we weren't under any imminent threat on December 6, 1941, nor on September 10, 2001.... or how the world was under no threat during Anschluss or invasion of Poland. Naturally, in your world, nuking Tel Aviv would be justified, wouldn't it? Not to mention, it wouldn't have any effect on us, nor would it be in our national interest.... right?



The back and forth is pretty fun when you're dealing with highly ignorant, highly partisan, and highly opinionated people who think they know everything and claim they voted for Trump...



So we were one day away from a Pearl Harbor style attack inside the 50 states and/or 4 airplanes flying into buildings here, all from Iran?


Insert commentary on flying airplanes and having the ability to vote.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Folks, we are at ENDGAME

The weekly EIA distillates report this Wednesday and/or next Wednesday will be key. US Diesel inventories are already near commercial operational minimums and if we see continued draws in what should be stocking season ahead of Summer demand the Diesel price will go vertical injecting unprecedented levels of inflation into the economy. Remember diesel demand is inelastic due to its critical part in the transportation logistics of our food and goods here in the states

The other wild card to watch is the Bond market, particularly the 10 and 30 year Treasury Yields. If yields continue to spike Bond market could crack raising the cost of capital of nearly every business and consumer loan. Fed tries to intervene by cutting interest rates and printing more money here come stagflation. US dollar could become toilet paper. Got Gold or Gold Miners?

Brave New World


I see a famous Mexican food item coming. Unfortunately for us, it will be too late anyway. Even if all this crap ends today, the effect won’t be felt for the rest of the year. It’s that bad.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Folks, we are at ENDGAME

The weekly EIA distillates report this Wednesday and/or next Wednesday will be key. US Diesel inventories are already near commercial operational minimums and if we see continued draws in what should be stocking season ahead of Summer demand the Diesel price will go vertical injecting unprecedented levels of inflation into the economy. Remember diesel demand is inelastic due to its critical part in the transportation logistics of our food and goods here in the states

The other wild card to watch is the Bond market, particularly the 10 and 30 year Treasury Yields. If yields continue to spike Bond market could crack raising the cost of capital of nearly every business and consumer loan. Fed tries to intervene by cutting interest rates and printing more money here come stagflation. US dollar could become toilet paper. Got Gold or Gold Miners?

Brave New World



You’ve been saying that for months….



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