Originally Posted by
DLax85
Another article touting the 20% increase in capacity for 757s over 727s, and the 25% increase in fuel savings.
Hmmmmm....
We're currently seeking higher 777 rates over current widebody rates because it brings in more revenue per flight/more efficiently, but accepting the same narrowbody rates for 757s and 727s.
Hmmmm....
Originally Posted by
AFW_MD11
It's called N E G O T I A T I N G
Just a guess on my part - I wasn't on the negotiating committee....
But, agreeing to narrowbody rates on the 757 was probably something (one of MANY things) we agreed to (gave up) in order to secure the higher payrates for the A380.
Now, the company is trying to have their cake and eat it too (bait and switch) by cancelling the A380 and "replacing" it with the 777 but claiming the 777 is just another widebody (payrates) aircraft.
Negotiating in bad faith all the while knowing they were going to dump the A380 anyway.
I often wonder why the concept of negotiating (give and take) seems to be lost to a lot of people who post on this forum??
Originally Posted by
DLax85
I often wonder why the concept of "nuance" seems to be lost on some people who post of this forum??
That too - "nuance" or "concept of give and take in negotiations" - you don't seem to get either.
The point is that we are NOT "currently seeking higher 777 rates over current widebody rates
because it brings in more revenue per flight/more efficiently" - as you are proposing in your original statement.
we are seeking higher 777 rates BECAUSE IT IS A REPLACEMENT FOR THE N-E-G-O-T-I-A-T-E-D A380 rates.
see the "nuance"?
we already GAVE UP something to get the higher pay rates (LOWER pay rates for the 757) - now the company is trying to pretend that never happened and wants us to negotiate AGAIN for 777 pay rates based on it's own merits (revenue generation/efficiency vs. our current fleet types)?? and YOU seem to agree with them???
see the difference? the "nuance"?
your post asked the question "
why should we expect to be paid more for flying a 777 over our current widebody rates based on revenue/efficiency when we are willing to settle for 757 rates that are the same as the less revenue/efficient 727s?"
I answered your question - we aren't expecting higher 777 pay rates based on efficiency/revenue - we are expecting higher 777 pay rates because WE NEGOTIATED FOR THEM ALREADY (A380).
That's the "nuance" or the "concept of negotiating" that seems to be lost on you and others that post here wondering why we should expect higher pay for the 777.
If you still don't get it, you never will.