Originally Posted by
AFW_MD11
That too - "nuance" or "concept of give and take in negotiations" - you don't seem to get either.
The point is that we are NOT "currently seeking higher 777 rates over current widebody rates because it brings in more revenue per flight/more efficiently" - as you are proposing in your original statement.
we are seeking higher 777 rates BECAUSE IT IS A REPLACEMENT FOR THE N-E-G-O-T-I-A-T-E-D A380 rates.
see the "nuance"?
we already GAVE UP something to get the higher pay rates (LOWER pay rates for the 757) - now the company is trying to pretend that never happened and wants us to negotiate AGAIN for 777 pay rates based on it's own merits (revenue generation/efficiency vs. our current fleet types)?? and YOU seem to agree with them???
see the difference? the "nuance"?
your post asked the question "why should we expect to be paid more for flying a 777 over our current widebody rates based on revenue/efficiency when we are willing to settle for 757 rates that are the same as the less revenue/efficient 727s?"
I answered your question - we aren't expecting higher 777 pay rates based on efficiency/revenue - we are expecting higher 777 pay rates because WE NEGOTIATED FOR THEM ALREADY (A380).
That's the "nuance" or the "concept of negotiating" that seems to be lost on you and others that post here wondering why we should expect higher pay for the 777.
If you still don't get it, you never will.
Wow --- where do I begin?
(...I guess I'll first start by avoiding the "Shift" key and "Caps Lock", but I digress)
Dude --- I think you misread the subtle intent of my original post and jumped in with guns blazing.
My point wasn't to side with the company regarding their slight of hand in negogiating A380 rates and then purchasing the 777 (...that's a clear foul, especially if they did it "knowingly" during negogiations)
Rather, it was to show that our, completely valid, argument on why the A380 (or 777) should pay more than our current wide-body rates also holds true for the 757 vs 727 transition (...because they move more cargo/more efficiently).
As you point out above ---- we clearly sacrificed improved 757 rates to get the A380 rates.
Why???
(OBTW, I recommend the "half-caf" while on APC
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