Originally Posted by
The Juice
Commercial pilots should have a copy of PTS and know it cold. Period! You should have discountinued the ride the moment you saw things were going to go bad, went back with the instructor and see what you are lacking and again, read the PTS book. All of my students, private to CFII, always had a PTS book in their bag. How can you pass a test you dont know how you will be graded?
The training dept I worked with.. everyone knew the standards. And we were frequently monitored when instructing or giving check rides. So we were very standardized (-121ops).
Also, the policy was something apparently not done much in gen av and that is 'debrief to standard'. You get two events for that.. more than two and yes, the ride is over. But everyone has occasional cranial gas. If you could explain what happened, why and what went wrong, we could debrief to standard (ie.. pass)
But since we are using exclamation points to emphasize points, let me use bold font...it was an
ex-instructor who berated or belittled the student.
Also when I did rides it gets very old hearing students blame instructors for everything, "My instructor never told me that."
And so you took the student at his/her word or did you debrief the instructor to find out what was taught and how?
Rationalization is a term you will hear when you are an instructor.
Must have worked in different communities. I never heard it...
Dont want to sound mean but you need to except the responsability like you will as a commercial pilot and one day as a Captain.
Funny thing is I went into the left seat of a 707 (KC-135.. actually a Boeing 717) in
1972... so it's not like this is my first day on the playground.
I was just trying to help the student ask questions of the instructor and examiner. From the post, it sounds like there wasn't much of a debrief, which you as an instructor knows is where much of the real learning takes place.