Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
'slow I'm not touchy about this at all, the point is, the guy in question has a history of being an ass, has been to charm school more times than Pygmalia, has been busted back to FO (co-pilot for you), and still continued to be an ass. The point is, if he treated me in the plane like he did during the sim period, we would never have left the gate and either he would have gotten someone else to "just read the checklist when its called for!" or I would have gotten someone else "to call for the checklists!" In just my 20 plus years of avation experience (would another 55 added to my 21 equal your 38? Is this where I'm supposed to bow down to you?) I have never treated a co-pilot/FO (or anyone under my command) as not part of the "crew", and I would hope that in the future, if I ever did, I would be called on the carpet for it!
Hmmm, never had any CRM training in your 100yrs of aviation, eh?
'Dog Maybe your sharp looking smoke goggles are just fogged-over. It's
'low...
2 dots low, 2 dots
below glidepath...get it. I wasn't talking about
a guy...no matter how much of an ass he may be. I was talking about a professional environment, and your particular handling of an evidently hard case in the other seat. As to the
bowing down crap, maybe you think my car wash is somehow less impressive than your trash hauler command. I don't. And, FWIW, CRM is a panacea for training department whimsy. It varies from airline to airline, and from crew to crew. The procedural emphasis is fine, but the real environment involves a hell of a lot more than
concepts of how something as dynamic as the flightdeck is supposed to be
managed. You know, personalities, attitudes, experience, proficiency, stuff like that. Forget my 100 years...ask yourself, how was the CRM that day in the box?