Any Questions ? "PAY FOR THE DELAY"
07-26-2006 | 06:14 AM
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Thank God somebody wants the job...
I've always seen it as a way to ruin a perfectly good job (road trips, flying, flexibility) with a real one (paperwork, office, and people issues...)
Good on the guys who want it...(but you can have it!)
I've always seen it as a way to ruin a perfectly good job (road trips, flying, flexibility) with a real one (paperwork, office, and people issues...)
Good on the guys who want it...(but you can have it!)
08-05-2006 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by fecav8r
Ok, I started this rock fight so I guess I better jump back in. First of all, I apologize for any unprofessional ism I exhibited on my last post. It was a bad day.
Now to the point of the post, let me clear up some of the misconceptions that are floating around.
First, DC. He is an ass, always will be. Unfortunately, the company can't fire him for being an ass. If they did, the Union would have to grieve it and would get his job back. And we'd all be a few numbers senior. Then you have just rewarded him for his actions. Because the way the process works it would take atleast 6 months for him to get fired. All the while he is collecting a big fat paycheck, ala the other arbitration incidents. The crews form SFS, EWR, MNL, all collected 5+ years of pay and benefits while not turning a wheel. Not their fault, just reality. So that obviously played into the mix. They did what they could and forced him back to the right seat. To me that was a crock as well. You're telling him he is an ass so he has to be an FO. Boy, what a slap in the face to all the good FO's here at FedEx. It had nothing to do with his Union membership. Ask the guys in the legal dept at FedEx ALPA.
Secondly, TH. The real story is that the FO he was going to fly with did dime on him but I'm not so sure it was a Union deal. I know the guy and that never came up in the story when he told it to me. He did his final deviation from his daughter's house in ATL or EWR. Not sure which. Doesn't really matter. He definitely wasn't within 100 miles of FRA. Manfred just happened to mention that he was going to the airport to pick him up within a couple of hours of his showtime. Again, the reason he wasn't fired doesn't have anything to do with his Union membership. He was offered a deal which prevented the Union from having to represent him in lieu of a month off. He could have had Union representation regardless of his membership status. That's the law. He waived that representation and took the slap on the wrist. Management can't stand dirt bags any more than anybody else. Union or not. As far as I know everyone in the current CP ranks is a member, from Lewis on down.
Now finally, PA, aka Puppet Lady. She is not fired because she is on sick leave.
As far as sucking something to get a management job, why is it that being a CP at FedEx is looked on as being such a terrible thing? Have we not had some descent ones? Yeah, I know there are the DH's and the RF's, but there was also the Chip Groners, the Jack Lewis', et al. The way I look at it is that if we got more good guys to apply for these jobs we wouldn't get the shat birds in the jobs.
Man will this start the name calling.......
Now to the point of the post, let me clear up some of the misconceptions that are floating around.
First, DC. He is an ass, always will be. Unfortunately, the company can't fire him for being an ass. If they did, the Union would have to grieve it and would get his job back. And we'd all be a few numbers senior. Then you have just rewarded him for his actions. Because the way the process works it would take atleast 6 months for him to get fired. All the while he is collecting a big fat paycheck, ala the other arbitration incidents. The crews form SFS, EWR, MNL, all collected 5+ years of pay and benefits while not turning a wheel. Not their fault, just reality. So that obviously played into the mix. They did what they could and forced him back to the right seat. To me that was a crock as well. You're telling him he is an ass so he has to be an FO. Boy, what a slap in the face to all the good FO's here at FedEx. It had nothing to do with his Union membership. Ask the guys in the legal dept at FedEx ALPA.
Secondly, TH. The real story is that the FO he was going to fly with did dime on him but I'm not so sure it was a Union deal. I know the guy and that never came up in the story when he told it to me. He did his final deviation from his daughter's house in ATL or EWR. Not sure which. Doesn't really matter. He definitely wasn't within 100 miles of FRA. Manfred just happened to mention that he was going to the airport to pick him up within a couple of hours of his showtime. Again, the reason he wasn't fired doesn't have anything to do with his Union membership. He was offered a deal which prevented the Union from having to represent him in lieu of a month off. He could have had Union representation regardless of his membership status. That's the law. He waived that representation and took the slap on the wrist. Management can't stand dirt bags any more than anybody else. Union or not. As far as I know everyone in the current CP ranks is a member, from Lewis on down.
Now finally, PA, aka Puppet Lady. She is not fired because she is on sick leave.
As far as sucking something to get a management job, why is it that being a CP at FedEx is looked on as being such a terrible thing? Have we not had some descent ones? Yeah, I know there are the DH's and the RF's, but there was also the Chip Groners, the Jack Lewis', et al. The way I look at it is that if we got more good guys to apply for these jobs we wouldn't get the shat birds in the jobs.
Man will this start the name calling.......
But we are still off point. The original Post from you (and I am para-phrasing)was there is NO favoritism to...."Good Ol Boy non Union folk". I disagreed with your original remark. You then asked for examples and I gave you several. That was the only point I was answering.......
Not if it was justified or Not
Not if the Pilot in question is a DH or Not.
Not if all ACP's are DH's or not. (Not all are, they are just the Majority)
The simple fact is and remains...............if you are in The Good Ol' boy Non UNion club........You have several "Get out of Jail Free cards"
That is the only point I was making...........so lets not beat a dead horse.
08-05-2006 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
OK.Fair enough............
But we are still off point. The original Post from you (and I am para-phrasing)was there is NO favoritism to...."Good Ol Boy non Union folk". I disagreed with your original remark. You then asked for examples and I gave you several. That was the only point I was answering.......
Not if it was justified or Not
Not if the Pilot in question is a DH or Not.
Not if all ACP's are DH's or not. (Not all are, they are just the Majority)
The simple fact is and remains...............if you are in The Good Ol' boy Non UNion club........You have several "Get out of Jail Free cards"
That is the only point I was making...........so lets not beat a dead horse.
But we are still off point. The original Post from you (and I am para-phrasing)was there is NO favoritism to...."Good Ol Boy non Union folk". I disagreed with your original remark. You then asked for examples and I gave you several. That was the only point I was answering.......
Not if it was justified or Not
Not if the Pilot in question is a DH or Not.
Not if all ACP's are DH's or not. (Not all are, they are just the Majority)
The simple fact is and remains...............if you are in The Good Ol' boy Non UNion club........You have several "Get out of Jail Free cards"
That is the only point I was making...........so lets not beat a dead horse.
OK, how about we agree to disagree. Works for me
08-10-2006 | 11:57 AM
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From: A300 Captain
New threat
How about we get back on topic of paying for the delay. The new screening delays are a perfect way to conclude these negotiations. Front end deadheads are going to have to be revised. Don't answer your phones! Screw skeds will have to fill the revisions; don't answer your phone. This would be the perfect time for everyone to start your deadhead from domicile, (one hour prior to show as originally scheduled) because once you deviate and don't make it you're hostage bait, i.e. an example waiting to happen. This is not a job action, it's just per the contract. You don't have to answer your phone!
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