Originally Posted by
ToiletDuck
Like I said. Fleet efficiency...... The cost to have your own training department with sims for the four different fleet types at AE costs an arm and a leg. RAH outsources training. Much cheaper.
AE's fleet. Only takes a couple clicks of a mouse to figure this out.
CRJ700
EMB135/140/145
ATR72
S340B
The Saab's are gone... and Eagle operates internationally, not just in one region. The need for mission specific aircraft is why they held the ATR's so long.... the jets just don't work well down there.
Originally Posted by
ToiletDuck
Just like I've said about every other post of yours there's never anything substantial to what you write. RAH doesn't subcontract their MX. The MX on our aircraft is very good. The elevator issue was do to slack in the cables after repeated wear due to wind gusts on the elevator with mechanical gusts lock. Embraer has since updated their MX program.
Is this outsourced MX???
That is a glaring example of EMB systems being poorly designed...
That picture was with three green being displayed. Excellent job by the crew by the way.
Originally Posted by
ToiletDuck
Doesn't matter if it's the way AA and AMR want it to be. Point it it's more expensive.
It is not more expensive than paying an outside company to do the same job.... since the outside company also has to make a profit for themselves, and pay for their own buildings, offices, and non-operational staff... and that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of costs... In essence, AMR is losing money by hiring subcontractors. Their corporate structure already exists and is paid for. They could add the existing subcontracted routes into Eagles in the blink of an eye and save even more money by not having to support the outside corporate structures... but that won't happen since they would be beat up fairly badly when contract times come.... they keep the CHQ's and TSA's around to whipsaw unions with; and it costs them more to do it.
Just use a little common sense... is it cheaper to put an addition on your home and add a few pipes and lines for heat and electricity, or is it cheaper to build a seperate building that needs it's own systems? The fact that outside subcontractors have to hire mx crews, lease sims and pay outside training centers is the same thing...
Originally Posted by
ToiletDuck
There's no doubt? Why? Why's a sim at one place any better than another? Doesn't matter. There's still a cost associated with the sims. AMR can charge AE all they want but the money still comes out of AMR's pocket. A $20mil sim still costs money. If you can't utilize them around the clock then the operating cost jumps significantly. If they only operate 6hrs a day instead of 12 then their operating cost is much higher.
Exactly my point. Other's are paying money to some other outside company for using those sims... Eagle pays a similar amount but the money goes back to AMR.... It's a money shuffle. Does the sim cost the same as what CHQ pays.... sure, but with you guys, Flight Safety or somebody is keeping the profit, at Eagle, AMR is keeping the profit.... hence, less expensive when the final results are counted. No outside training center to support, the same one company runs it... they charge Eagle (and others by the way) for the use and the money stays "in company." Oh, and yes, our sims do run 24/7 with down time scheduled in the very early AM for mx checks.
Let me spell it out for you....
In the words of Bob Crandal, Everything AMR owns is for sale, you just can't afford it. They had two firms look at the deal, and nobody could stomache all the restrictions they had on the sale... So many that it basically meant they weren't selling. If anything, it will be spun off later next year so they can force concessions on the APA with BK threats.
Originally Posted by
ToiletDuck
Last you checked it was contract MX: Wrong
Last you checked RAH has more fleet types than AE: Wrong
You think AE is as cheap as others: Wrong
recheck my post. I never said RAH was contract mx
RAH has three certificates with three fleet types, Eagle has two certificates with three fleet types, COMAIR has only one fleet type correct? The reason for three fleet types at Eagle is due to scope requirements.
Eagle is cost comparable to the others.... the latest cost study performed, not by management, determined that Eagle IS cost neutral with the other companies due to changes in operating procedures, AMR profits from fees, and gate handling procedures. Someday the rest may catch up, but for now we are cost neutral... in spite of having a much heavier payroll due to seniority.
You may not like it, but it is the truth.