I believe the simple answer is yes and why PNCL will see a negative shift in flying before they will, I believe, ultimately see more. I will go out on a small limb and say that after the dust settles, PNCL will have DCI flying but they will be a smaller airline post merger unless something major happens like a merger with someone.

(The 900's coming is two month old news and included)

 

come on man you are smart enough to connect the dots. lets start at the top

richard anderson appointed CEO of nwa in 2001 and by some coincidence pinnacle gets the regional jet aircraft contract that same year to fly for nwa.

richard anderson left nwa to go be the united health care CEO. well guess who pinnacle switches their medical insurance to. you got it, a couple years ago while he was ceo we switched to united health care insurance.

richard anderson left uhc to go to delta. once again by some coincidence that same year pinnacle gets a contract to fly 900's for delta, while delta already had 9 regional carriers.

guess whats happening now at pinnacle. since richard anderson isn't ceo of united health care anymore we are switching health insurance to cigna starting jan 1 2009. strange coincidence huh?

the vp at delta over the dci carriers was told to cut back. he did with freedom. and he tought he could do it with pinnacle. till he found out the big mistake he made. i guess he didn't know that uncle phil and anderson have been doing eachother favors for the last 10 years.

is it any wonder there was no threat of a lawsuit on deltas part or pinnacle part when the contract was supposedly terminated? none of this is coincidental. just reading up a bit and knowing what actually happened at delta when our contract was supposedly terminated will help you understand that it was no coincidence and that uncle phil and anderson are going to be scratching eachothers backs for a very long time.

 

Airsupport,

always a pleasure to read the responses of those who take the time to educate themselves.

 

its all out there. you just have to look it up. and contrary to what others say richard anderson told the vp of the dci carriers to start cutting back. so he went the easy routes first with freedom, pinnacle, and express jet. but like i said when anderson got wind that he had put pinnacle on the chopping block it was less than 20 days later that the threat had been rescended.

 

The some coincidence is that NWA did this for the PNCL IPO.

 

No, I think that you missed the boat on this statement. The JCBA was not section 6 negotiations, only a fixing of the pertinent language to align the contracts. In 2012, when the contract is opened for renegotiation, then we will address the scope issue. Until then, comments like yours only show that you don't really understand what happened. That's OK though.

 

it was win win for everyone. uncle phil and anderson are buddies. anderson makes big bucks off sale of pinnacle, uncle phil get pinnacle to grow his airline.

 

The Saab's are gone... and Eagle operates internationally, not just in one region. The need for mission specific aircraft is why they held the ATR's so long.... the jets just don't work well down there.

That is a glaring example of EMB systems being poorly designed...
That picture was with three green being displayed. Excellent job by the crew by the way.

It is not more expensive than paying an outside company to do the same job.... since the outside company also has to make a profit for themselves, and pay for their own buildings, offices, and non-operational staff... and that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of costs... In essence, AMR is losing money by hiring subcontractors. Their corporate structure already exists and is paid for. They could add the existing subcontracted routes into Eagles in the blink of an eye and save even more money by not having to support the outside corporate structures... but that won't happen since they would be beat up fairly badly when contract times come.... they keep the CHQ's and TSA's around to whipsaw unions with; and it costs them more to do it.

Just use a little common sense... is it cheaper to put an addition on your home and add a few pipes and lines for heat and electricity, or is it cheaper to build a seperate building that needs it's own systems? The fact that outside subcontractors have to hire mx crews, lease sims and pay outside training centers is the same thing...

Exactly my point. Other's are paying money to some other outside company for using those sims... Eagle pays a similar amount but the money goes back to AMR.... It's a money shuffle. Does the sim cost the same as what CHQ pays.... sure, but with you guys, Flight Safety or somebody is keeping the profit, at Eagle, AMR is keeping the profit.... hence, less expensive when the final results are counted. No outside training center to support, the same one company runs it... they charge Eagle (and others by the way) for the use and the money stays "in company." Oh, and yes, our sims do run 24/7 with down time scheduled in the very early AM for mx checks.

In the words of Bob Crandal, Everything AMR owns is for sale, you just can't afford it. They had two firms look at the deal, and nobody could stomache all the restrictions they had on the sale... So many that it basically meant they weren't selling. If anything, it will be spun off later next year so they can force concessions on the APA with BK threats.

recheck my post. I never said RAH was contract mx
RAH has three certificates with three fleet types, Eagle has two certificates with three fleet types, COMAIR has only one fleet type correct? The reason for three fleet types at Eagle is due to scope requirements.

Eagle is cost comparable to the others.... the latest cost study performed, not by management, determined that Eagle IS cost neutral with the other companies due to changes in operating procedures, AMR profits from fees, and gate handling procedures. Someday the rest may catch up, but for now we are cost neutral... in spite of having a much heavier payroll due to seniority.
You may not like it, but it is the truth.

 

Most of this might have some correlation but there is some that is wishful speculation. I DO believe PNCL has a future with DCI, just not as big as it is now. This is based on post bancruptcy economics, precedence, speculation, education and a some input from those that might not know they have sensitive information.

If the new Delta doesn't buy PNCL, I actually believe PNCL will be part of a merger with another regional at some point in order to be more viable outside of DCI.

Just an opinion.