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Old 11-10-2008 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Confirmedat20
Allright everyone take a step back and quit looking at the tree and let's start looking at the forest.

-First, the company wants the flex line value, but the union wants Cola's and early retirements. The company REALLY REALLY wants flex line values, the union says no. Whammo! more furloughs and downgrades.
Remember, the company has to offer a very attractive package with all the trimmings to get the senior guys to take early ret. Ergo, the early ret. won't save them that much. Also, by using flex line values, they have the flexibility (oooh there's a semblance!) to raise and lower it while keeping everyone staffed. Is that the only solution? No, of course not. But our union seems to be playing this all or nothing mentality.

- This dovetail's to my next point, that 90 going to Mesaba is a warning shot. The higher ups at Delta are not pleased with the dismissal (nor am I) of the ASAP program. To just throw away an invaluable resource of safety to prove a point is reckless and Atlanta sees it as such. I don't necessary disagree with the unions view of the incident in question, just their actions. This "I'm going to take my ball and go home" mentality has got to end. To throw 1400 pilots to the wind to prove a point is just wrong.

This ship is not sinking, but it has sprung a leak. We can still plug it up, but it will take negotiations, give and take, adjusting to the national economic situation, picking our battles, use the proper arsenal, the right tool for the right job...

Oh yeah, and an ounce of common sense won't hurt either.

My two cents...a penny's worth anyway.

Ok, if the company really really really really wanted flex line so badly..if it was an operational NECESSITY..they would give up a lil something to get it. They will DISCUSS NOTHING with ALPA aside flex line. NOTHING. That tells me, they want it, but if they don't get it..no big deal.

Let me say it again

FLEX LINE, WILL ONLY SAVE 40-60 PILOT JOBS.

PERIOD

I am a furloughed Comair pilot and I 100% approve and support of ALPA in their refusal to resign that LOA. Where does it end?

Where are all the snap back and fleet guarantees??

Oh..that's right bankruptcy!

Where is the competitiveness and financial streamlining from the concessions and freezes??!?!?!?!?

OHHHHHHH That's right we're still furloughing, and Comair has been about the same since those were voted in by the pilot group.

Get it through your skulls, a Company can be PLENTY successful without paycuts. They'll find a way to get the airplanes, they'll find away to grow. But if they can convice a bunch of scared silly pilots that they MUST give up some HARD EARNED WAGES, then why not try it?

It's management 101

Think about how much we cost on an hour flight....

10 year Captain
73 dollars + 1.55 per diem

5 year FO
38 dollars + 1.55 per diem

10 year FA
What..20? + 1.55 per diem

$135.65 for crew cost from CVG - CMH let's say.

Sure go ahead and add insurance costs and 401K. It's PEANUTS people!

Not even a ticket.
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