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11-01-2021 | 09:25 AM
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But you don't have to go to work...
I think you're right, and I said as much... if they can stay in their seat, keep their schedules, not have to re-train on a new plane, etc. People that age don't like disruption and change.
I think you're right, and I said as much... if they can stay in their seat, keep their schedules, not have to re-train on a new plane, etc. People that age don't like disruption and change.
11-01-2021 | 10:42 AM
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Could happen, precedent has been set...
https://japantoday.com/category/nati...-with-shortage
Problem with that though is ICAO limit is still 65 (unless they get THAT changed too). So for most of the legacies, they'd have to shuffle senior pilots off WB's down to NB's. Then they'd have to work schedules to avoid Canada and Latin America, unless USG can do some kind of drug deal with them.
How many 65 y/o WB CA's really want to take a paycut and fly domestic scheds? Many would just retire.
But for the NB-only airlines, it would probably help... senior guys already accustomed to the schedules might keep going for two more years.
https://japantoday.com/category/nati...-with-shortage
Problem with that though is ICAO limit is still 65 (unless they get THAT changed too). So for most of the legacies, they'd have to shuffle senior pilots off WB's down to NB's. Then they'd have to work schedules to avoid Canada and Latin America, unless USG can do some kind of drug deal with them.
How many 65 y/o WB CA's really want to take a paycut and fly domestic scheds? Many would just retire.
But for the NB-only airlines, it would probably help... senior guys already accustomed to the schedules might keep going for two more years.
11-01-2021 | 09:20 PM
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Would theoretically abrogate seniority too. Imagine you had a 66 year old hired at 55 and a 35 year old hired the year prior to the 66 year old. Would the now 45 year old have to give up potentially desired domestic trips because the 66 year old isn’t allowed to go international?
But in reality, widebodies usually go senior, especially CA slots so there should be plenty of volunteers.
11-01-2021 | 10:00 PM
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Presumably it would go by seniority... the 66 y/o would get displaced, creating a vacancy which somebody would most likely bid for. If not, junior assignment would occur.
But in reality, widebodies usually go senior, especially CA slots so there should be plenty of volunteers.
But in reality, widebodies usually go senior, especially CA slots so there should be plenty of volunteers.
I’m just imagining say the 75/76. Number 45 is like 45 years old and wants all domestic flying. There’s not enough domestic flying for the 66 year old number 46 to build a full line. They’d have to either rob someone higher on the list of some domestic flying or pay the 66 year old to not work which isn’t fair to the more senior folks either. Not an impossible thing to work out but I’m not sure it would go over well in most pilot groups.
You could displace them, but with 321 NEOS/XLRS, A220’s, etc NB won’t be a guarantee you’re not flying abroad at most legacies.
Reserve would also get more complicated.
11-02-2021 | 08:07 AM
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It’d be interesting. I assume they’d need some kind of Loa or contractual change, especially on fleets that do domestic and international flying. Maybe they’d get re-stapled on to the bottom or something.
I’m just imagining say the 75/76. Number 45 is like 45 years old and wants all domestic flying. There’s not enough domestic flying for the 66 year old number 46 to build a full line. They’d have to either rob someone higher on the list of some domestic flying or pay the 66 year old to not work which isn’t fair to the more senior folks either. Not an impossible thing to work out but I’m not sure it would go over well in most pilot groups.
You could displace them, but with 321 NEOS/XLRS, A220’s, etc NB won’t be a guarantee you’re not flying abroad at most legacies.
Reserve would also get more complicated.
I’m just imagining say the 75/76. Number 45 is like 45 years old and wants all domestic flying. There’s not enough domestic flying for the 66 year old number 46 to build a full line. They’d have to either rob someone higher on the list of some domestic flying or pay the 66 year old to not work which isn’t fair to the more senior folks either. Not an impossible thing to work out but I’m not sure it would go over well in most pilot groups.
You could displace them, but with 321 NEOS/XLRS, A220’s, etc NB won’t be a guarantee you’re not flying abroad at most legacies.
Reserve would also get more complicated.
Or if an airline didn't want to deal with it, they could just kick 65+ to the curb... if all your fleets go international you're not obligated to employ people who can't do the job. Union CBA actually helps with that, since the company cannot simply abrogate seniority to "accommodate" old folks.
My gut feel is that we'll see age 67 here within 5-8 years.
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