Actually I didnt' mention it cause it was in a SIM at American long before 9-11 stopped allowing me to go in with my brother in the sim. If I hadn't how would I know they both make noise when the trim is activated. Ask me anything you want, or you can be like most pilots on these forums and just stick to the ignorant thought that I am with the media. Did you take the time to go to flightinfo like I said? See, you are worse then the media. You are assuming I am not who I say I am without looking it up like I told you to just like they are assuming it was pilot error. If you don't want to do the right thing then that is your problem. That proves it if you just go there and PM me. I can't get the PM if it ain't me and it shows you the start date of 2002.