[quote=1515greenlight;563071]flown with guys who operated low level IFR in crap that no military guy would have dreamed of, quote]

I guess my fixed card ADF , suction powered instruments, military aircraft approach into Colorado Springs during a snow storm doesn't count.

There is an old expresion that RNs use: remember 50% of the Drs you work with graduated in the lower half of their class. The same applies to pilots - both civilian and military trained.