Originally Posted by
A10crewdawg
1.) I would argue that the last mig "chase" took place during Gulf one.
Actually Bosnia 1999 after further research. That one I'll take on the chin.
Originally Posted by
A10crewdawg
2.) "Constantly trying to remind everybody how much better you are than everyone else. Give it a break, please!" I would argue you're doing the exact same thing by claiming CFIs, CFIIs, etc are better than military pilots.
Never said that, clearly made the point that there are good and bad pilots in both realms.
Originally Posted by
A10crewdawg
3.) Was your ATP P-3 guy flying that ILS in the P-3, or had he been flying a skychicken for a few hours? How do you know that he had flown anything that slow before?
Seriously? Typical light twin approaches at 100-120 knots. P-3 maybe 20-40 knots faster. Looking at between 20-25% decrease in speed.
Originally Posted by
A10crewdawg
4.) Those crusty, bourbon drinking guys that you speak of aren't all your typical "fighter jocks". Take a look at a recent event with Capt. Sullenburger.....what was his background?
I guess he learned nothing in 30 years of flying for US Airways, just collecting a paycheck.
Originally Posted by
A10crewdawg
5.) The reason why some, and I emphasize SOME here, of the military pilots are like that is because they can learn things pretty damn fast. This leads them to be able to do a lot in an airplane with one arm behind their back, a gun to their head, and four engines on fire and do it while sipping a mai tai and singing sinatra. They are trained to the most stringent of standards, I would say harder than your examiner in Dallas. They're decision making skills are typically top notch under pressure and they do know what CRM means. I'd argue that the military brought up CRM in their training regimen before the airlines did, but I'm not going to sit here with a ruler and measure.
I think your making my "Military Pilot on a Soap Box" argument for me here.
Originally Posted by
A10crewdawg
6.) That attitude that you argue is so horrible from these typical military pilots is something I could argue you having right now by trying to insult them and saying their training is dismissive anywhere other than the military. I will call no joy on that argument any day.
I'm not sure I follow, but let me clarify my overall position. Military pilots are some of the finest guys we have in this business, I never questioned that. If it seemed like I was, I'm sorry. The point I was trying to make is that you will find excellent pilots, in every aspect of airmenship, both military and civilian trained. And you will find poor pilots, in every aspect of airmenship, both military and civilian trained. Just like you find good and bad lawyers, doctors, you name it. I think we can all agree on that.
The question then is why would I even point it out. Let me answer that by asking you a question. How often do you see on these forums a civilian pilot comparing his training to that of a military pilot? I would guess very seldom. All I'm saying is that training doesn't make the pilot, attitude and judgement does. All the training in the world won't save his/her life, or the people behind them, without attitude and judgement. The military does not have a monopoly on that.
That being said, I will reitterate that military pilots are some of the finest guys we have in this business. I have emense respect and gratitude for anyone who dons the military uniform. I just ask that you show the same amout of respect for others who have chosen a different path.
As for USMCFLYR, I don't have a chip on my shoulder and I'm not jealous. Initial post was somewhat knee jerk, said things kind of aggressively and probably could have articulated better. A lot of what you said I probably deserved, but I stand by my point of view.
If I offended anyone, sincere apologies.