Originally Posted by
SpiraMirabilis
Post was removed due to "inappropriate language" which I didn't think I used, so I'm going to try it again by substituting any controversial words with uncontroversial words.
I can not even believe I am hearing the protestations of "but that will screw over GoJet." That makes me want to throw up. You represent all that is bad in this profession and represent the failure of trade unionism. You are all union busters, essentially. I work at Mesa, which is STILL suffering from the formation of Freedom Airlines which is exactly the same as GJ. We got the best scope language in the industry at the cost of almost everything else and we're just now getting to a contract that has most everything one would expect in an airline contract. You are all in the same boat as all the Freedom A listers and will be until your seniority list is integrated with all pilots at "Trans States Holdings".
I'm sorry if the above sounds too hostile or mean. With all that said I don't approve of denying jumpseats to GJ guys (or anyone that hasn't crossed a picket line, I'm not all that militant yet.)
If it is true that GJ side did want to integrate and TSA did not (until recently) then while this doesn't wash away the sin of GJ's creation it does mean that at least you guys want to do the right thing. Most of you guys anyway (except Xelectro that is.)
In 2005 the NMB denied ALPA's single carrier claim. Among the many reasons cited by the NMB were the differences between the MESA/Freedom and the TSA/GoJet cituation:
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While ALPA relies on Mesa Airlines, Inc., CCAir, Inc., Air Midwest, Inc., 29 NMB 359 (2002) for support that GoJet and TSA constitute a single system, the facts of that case are inapposite. In Mesa, the Board made a single carrier finding because of the following factors: all three carriers were wholly owned by Mesa Air Group, Inc. (MAG); MAG’s website contained information about each of the carriers, including type of aircraft, number of employees, and daily departure schedules --presenting a public image of a single transportation system; applicants could apply for positions at any of the three carriers online through the MAG website; and labor relations at the three carriers was centralized, evidenced by the fact that the Flight Deck Crewmembers craft or class at two of the carriers were covered by the same CBA, and the heavy involvement of MAG’s CEO in contract negotiations and the overall labor relations at the three carriers. Id. at 368-380.
Here, while GoJet and TSA are both owned by TSH, there are no other similarities to the facts in the Mesa Airlines, Inc., above, decision. GoJet and TSA have their own websites with no information about each other or links to each other. Applicants for positions at either Carrier must apply through the designated web address or mail address, and each Carrier’s website lists only its job openings. Additionally, labor relations are handled separately at GoJet and TSA: with separate management teams; separate wages, benefits and terms and conditions of employment; and separate seniority lists and employee rosters."