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Old 05-15-2009 | 10:40 AM
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Onfinal
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Originally Posted by finis72
Onfinal, I agree with your first paragraph, we(Pilot Unions) have a window of opportunity that we need to press for improvements in our industry.
However, we can't have it both ways,if we want to be paid like professionals we have to constantly act and perform like professionals. In our industry fatigue will happen and then we rely on training and experience.I have never flown at a regional but I bet they train to the same standards as a major,and I bet they train approach to a stall(stick shaker) the same way. This pilot had not 1 but 2 chances to recover and messed up both of them ! I'm sorry but that is pilot error pure and simple.He wasn't trained that way but for some unknown reason he reacted that way and gave all professional pilots a black eye. He also brought bias against all the Regional pilots who are very professional and doing a great job day in and day out under less than ideal conditions.We also have to police ourselves to make sure that consistent sub-standard performers seek another profession,harsh but in an industry where mistakes are often fatal I can see no other way.I'm ready for the darts. Finis
No need for the darts!

I agree definitely pilot error. What I was trying to say, is that its not just good enough to make the Pilot Error call. Perhaps "Fatigue Induced Pilot Error"? Whatever the case, you and I know, there is likely more to this than simply a guy that was so incompetent that he augered an aircraft into the ground. The media and the public may not know better, but we certainly do!

We have got to deal with some of these issues that have grown up like weeds, before they choke the entire industy. Renslow and Shaw, God be with them, perhaps albeit tragicly have provided the catalyst.
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