Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro

fatboy, I agree with most of what you are saying. My point though was first you get a stick shaker- time to recover. Once you go through the shaker without recovery, you will then get the pusher as a last resort to save you. If you are low to the ground (or god forbid covered with ICE!) and you get all the way to the pusher you have two choices: lower the nose and get that speed back as you hit the ground, or hold the nose up in the air and then lose control and hit the ground. Either way, you hit the ground- that is why the FAA trains to recognize at the imminent signs.

How about Air Florida Flight 90: Covered with snow and ice, low to the ground, got the shaker, then the pusher and at that point it did not even matter. It was going to crash 5 second before it hit the ground, no matter what input anyone would have applied.
So back to our point: the transport category standards are to avoid the stall and recover from the imminent signs. So if the FAA is going to re-write our procedures to have us recover from pusher scenarios, fine. OR, how about address more important topics like work rules, crew rest, and pay- issues are right in front of us, and causing numerous pilots across the country to suffer on a DAILY basis. How many stick pusher scenarios were there yesterday in all world wide 121 ops? Or even last week, or even the last year. Just one!