Originally Posted by
LucasM
not unless you both are wearing parachutes. check the regs for spins. btw, if you need to know if something about aviation is legal, the regs are a good place to start. not that we don't like answering questions on here, but just an fyi.
Originally Posted by
joepilot
When you did spins for your CFI training you were not required to wear chutes because this was a required maneuver for the CFI training. If you go up with a friend, it is not a required maneuver for training, and chutes are required.
You don't get to ask why this silly distinction exists, but the Feds say so.
Joe
Spin training conducted by a CFI (for ANY reason) does not require a parachute.
Spins not conducted in a training environment (IE - go up to do some for fun or show friends if you're not a CFI) do require a parachute, UNLESS you are the sole occupant of the aircraft.
Advisory Circular 61.67C
301. SPIN TRAINING AND PARACHUTES. Part 91, section 91.307(c), prohibits the pilot of a civil aircraft from executing any intentional maneuver that exceeds 60° of bank relative to the horizon, or exceeds 30° noseup or nosedown attitude relative to the horizon, unless an approved parachute is worn by each occupant (other than a crewmember). Section 91.307(d) states, in pertinent part, that section 91.307(c) does not apply to flight tests for a pilot certificate or rating; or spins and other flight maneuvers required by the regulations for any certificate or rating when given by a certified flight instructor (CFI) or an airline transport pilot (ATP) instructing in accordance with section 61.167.
a. Section 61.183(i) requires an applicant for a flight instructor certificate or rating to receive flight training in stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery procedures. The applicant must also possess and demonstrate instructional proficiency in these areas to receive the certificate or rating.
b. Because spin entry, spins, and spin recovery are required for a flight instructor certificate or rating, a person receiving instruction from a CFI (or an ATP instructing in accordance with section 61.167) need not wear an approved parachute while instruction is being provided in these maneuvers.
This provision applies regardless of the certificate or rating for which the person is receiving training and also if the person is receiving instruction that is not being provided for the purpose of obtaining any additional certificate or rating. The instructor providing the training is also not required to wear an approved parachute while providing this flight training.
c. Additionally, it should be noted that any pilot or required crewmember may perform a maneuver that exceeds the limits prescribed in section 91.307(c) without wearing an approved parachute, provided there are no other occupants in the aircraft or the other occupants are wearing approved parachutes.
Since you are not an appropriately rated CFI, you would need to have parachutes onboard. Other than that, from a FAA legality standpoint, you can do whatever you want (at least with regards to spins!). Since you are not teaching spins, you ARE permitted to spin with passengers onboard. (Aerobatic rides at airshows or fly-ins are an example of where a pilot might do spins and not be an instructor).
That said, I would not recommend taking a friend up until you are fully comfortable with your abilities. Also bear in mind that unless it's your own personal aircraft, a flight school might not look kindly on you doing spins in their aircraft without prior approval (unless it's an acro certified plane). It's tough on gyro instruments.
Once again an example of legal, but not necessarily prudent.