Originally Posted by
Ftrooppilot
Equating military pilots to "little Hitlers" ? Must have issues and / or no military flight experience.
How do you get that I equated Mil pilots to little hitlers? Reading into things a bit...
When I go to my military job (ummm, 23 yrs experience) I understand that a Full Col or G.O. may give me an order I may not like or I disagree with, yet as long as it is legal and I am a comissioned officer I will comply. To equate an airline crew scenario as the same as a military one is, frankly, crazy. And all airline CRM/CLR/whatever programs, plus labor law, say the same thing.
I never swore any oath to my company! But I have flown with plenty of "company" folks who seem to have
And yes I am an airline pilot as well. One of my trips I flew as a 727 F/O taught me a ton about CLR and I will never forget it. During preflight the "c"apt asked me about my feelings on the age 60 rule. I told him. He didn't like it. From that moment on he undermined the safety, teamwork and integrity of the trip. He wouldn't even answer my questions, help me when I was the PF, set altitude bugs, etc. It was unreal. I am very regretful that I 1) put up with his unprofessional, immature actions, 2) didn't remove myself from the trip and go to pro standards and 3) I resolved to never make the same mistakes again - as an F/O or Capt.
The "issues" I have are with folks who have decided what the Capt and F/O "probably" did or "likely" did - seemingly just to confirm their own feelings on how they think an interaction between Capt or F/O should go, or if they like unions or not, or bracelets or not, etc
The Capt is responsible for the safe, legal conduct of the flight. They are responsible to create an atmosphere that is conducive to such actions. They are not there to police everyone's attire. IMHO Commenting on a stained shirt, or lack of proper attire is one thing, the bracelet thing another. For the scenario to go to removal of the F/O is way outta there, and (again IMHO) lays at the feet of the Capt who is supposed to be the more mature, thoughtful and experienced crewmember.
When I lead a 4 ship of A-10s it is a whole different scenario in one respect (rank, position, title-10, military custom, etc) but similar in another. As the 4 ship FL it is my job to bring everyone in as a team so we can effectively execute the mission. When I act in a way that cuts off imput from the flight members I may have set us up for failure, and that may cost lives on the ground. For a civilian part 121 scenario the "command" authority of the Capt is more restricted, and bracelet wear certainly seems to strain the limit to me
But I wasn't there so I don't want to comment on how I imagine it went down. I do know that the capt apologized (kudos for that) and the F/O got her flight pay...