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#111
First, thanks to all your posts regarding the issue of free speech. I appreciate your comments. I actually think you guys are right in the sense that a private company can and should uphold their rules and regulations. Especially when the profession REQUIRES one to be an absolute professional. Pilots are responsible for the safety of so many lives as you guys fly us from one place to another. Sometimes, I can't believe you guys do what you do in such a calm manner; it'd be a wreck!
There are, I believe, certain things that take priority, like being a professional--a professional pilot, a professional doctor--when it requires it. In this case, the lady pilot wanted to stand up for her rights, which I admire. But I can see that when it comes to it, she also needed to act professional and maintain discipline. I guess what I am trying to say is, there are times for that and not in the "operating room" when it's less appropriate and your personal stand on an issue should not take priority over safety and the decorum of your profession. Do I think the CO did the wrong thing by kicking her out? I think he too should have maintained discipline and could have just talked to her AFTER the flight (e.g. the operation), where it was more appropriate. The task at hand was, in my humble opinion, to safely get those passengers from point A to B. Was what he did distasteful? In my opinion, yes, because in the grand scheme of things, is wearing that "silly" band that big of a deal that he had to kick her out of the plane? As a passenger and if I saw this happening on my flight, I would've questioned his professionalism. She on the other hand, although courageous, could have chosen a better way to get her views and opinions across--at least a more appropriate time.
577nitro's post that made me realize this as I was reading it...
Anyway, thanks to all of you for being professional and providing good feedback... I would have been kicked out in other forums.
There are, I believe, certain things that take priority, like being a professional--a professional pilot, a professional doctor--when it requires it. In this case, the lady pilot wanted to stand up for her rights, which I admire. But I can see that when it comes to it, she also needed to act professional and maintain discipline. I guess what I am trying to say is, there are times for that and not in the "operating room" when it's less appropriate and your personal stand on an issue should not take priority over safety and the decorum of your profession. Do I think the CO did the wrong thing by kicking her out? I think he too should have maintained discipline and could have just talked to her AFTER the flight (e.g. the operation), where it was more appropriate. The task at hand was, in my humble opinion, to safely get those passengers from point A to B. Was what he did distasteful? In my opinion, yes, because in the grand scheme of things, is wearing that "silly" band that big of a deal that he had to kick her out of the plane? As a passenger and if I saw this happening on my flight, I would've questioned his professionalism. She on the other hand, although courageous, could have chosen a better way to get her views and opinions across--at least a more appropriate time.
577nitro's post that made me realize this as I was reading it...
Anyway, thanks to all of you for being professional and providing good feedback... I would have been kicked out in other forums.
#112
This spat has absolutely nothing to do with appearance standards. Rather it was the bumping of heads of radically differing belief sets, philosophies on union activity and how aggresive pilots should be when it comes to asking for, or demanding increased compensation. Career line pilots all too often think that "management" is the only thumb of oppression. In this case however it seems that even one of our own (a union committee member?!) and line pilot acted on the belief that a First Officer has neither, right to opinion, nor right of expression.
Apathy? Hardly. This behavior is a textbook case of just how polarized C.A.L. pilots are on the topic of representation. To move forward, C.A.L. unionists will have to drag these people along. C.A.L. management laughs.
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