I would say enough that somewhere deep down inside, the mainline pilots are wondering how secure their group is if there is any more draw downs. I guess the DL Investors call is on Thursday, so that should give us some insight as to where things are headed for the fall. Ng4 didn't have much to say other than he still doesn't know what the fall schedule is yet on todays "feel good" call. Though RA sent him an official letter stating that they weighed all the option when it came to the new flight benefits. Not going to budge!