Last thoughts on this thread...I was in the squadron, and deployed, when our C-130 crashed in Al Jaber. McD was indeed our CC at the time. I went to AIS a year or so after the accident, and was actually the person that sat down and explained to "KJ" what the AF was trying to do to the crew. That was on a Friday...KJ was up in Little Rock that following Monday to talk with the crewmembers. Regardless of your thoughts on what the crew could have or should have done better, the AF was using some faulty logic in their attempts to prosecute the front-enders. The most memorable quote from the hearings when the AF tried to hammer the AC was when the prosecutors had KJ on the stand and were trying to lecture him about the "intent" of 11-217. KJ replied, "look on the front page of the reg. I can tell you exactly about the intent of the reg...I wrote it".