Thread: SID Compliance
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Old 06-18-2009 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NoyGonnaDoIt
I've seen this question in this context brought up a few times and IMO it depends on what the SID says and when you are given the heading.

SID 101 - all a SID is is a shorthand for a departure clearance to reduce workload (both the controller's and yours). It's a set of ATC instructions and like other ATC clearances and instructions, can be superseded by new instructions. With that in mind...

In this case for a 23L departure, the SID says:
Climb on runway heading 227° until I-FVJ 2.3 DME and 1200 feet or above, then fly assigned heading 210°, 227° or 242°
Who is giving you the heading you are talking about? And exactly what are they saying?

If it's from the tower on takeoff, I'd say it's the "assigned heading" that you fly after reaching 1200/2.3 D.

OTOH, if you are contacting departure and the controller says, "radar contact. Fly heading XXX°," it's a current instruction that overrides the SID heading.
Thanks, I know it's splitting hairs, just always wondered on the semantics. That makes sense, and with a line check coming up I wanted to be able to answer that question if it comes up.

It's not unheard of for controllers to play "stupid pilot tricks" with us just for laughs. I think the worst culprit is the "taxi to runway" assignment that allows us to cross active runways on the way to the assigned runway, but not to cross the assigned if necessary for taxiing. Like RWY 1 @ ALB. They'll say taxi to RWY 1 when you're already at the approach end of 19 waiting for you to screw up and then come on the radio with a "Simon didn't say you could cross" comment. But it's been a long time since I've been up there, maybe that controller retired?

Cheers!
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