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Cockpit jumpseating is duty?
YesOriginally Posted by rickair7777
So where do you draw the line?Cockpit jumpseating is duty?
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YesOriginally Posted by rickair7777
How about a JSer who gets a seat in back? Is that duty too?
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Wrong. Pass riding--have a glass of wine and enjoy.Originally Posted by rickair7777
There's no effective difference between a cabin JSer and a non-rev, right?
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No, see above.Originally Posted by rickair7777
So nonreving is duty too.
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Perhaps, but he's not on duty.Originally Posted by rickair7777
A nonrev is basically sitting on his ass in a chair.
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We all have an obligation to our families, co-workers, and public, regardless of what drama each of our lives holds, to show up well-rested and fit for duty. Originally Posted by rickair7777
So how about that guy who lives in domicile...he might stay up late, sitting a chair watching a movie or reading a book...sounds just like duty too. What about a parent with an infant who gets up every 2-3 hours all night...every night for a year or so?
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The slippery slope...no, you need to be well-rested and fit for duty. I think if you are jumpseating, you are on duty, therefore not resting. How many pilots would accept a trip assignment from the company that started with a jumpseat redeye across the country immediately followed by a "normal" workday? I don't think many would. Yet there are pilots (starting w/the subject pilot of the original post) that have no problem doing it on their own. Originally Posted by rickair7777
If you follow this to it's logical conclusion, all pilots need to report eight hours prior to departure and be physically confined to a bed in a dark, silent room.
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I draw the line where actions of a small number of pilots threaten our extraordinary priviledge of commuting great distances to work. Every time the commuting behavior of a pilot can be cited as a contributing factor to an accident/incident, that behavior will be used as ammunition justify the inhibition our priviledges.Originally Posted by rickair7777
The point is, where do you draw the line? It's a very hard line to draw, and it would be easy to trip over constitutional issues. Are you going to have rules for those who live out of domicile, that don't apply to those who live in domicile?
My original point is, that to me, jumpseating is clearly duty, and that it will be very easy for the FAA--unless we ALL get our acts together---to use existing regulations to force us to count jumpseating as duty time.