I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am very familiar with the furlough. I have been furloughed once before at Mesaba. I also knew that there was nothing the union could have done to prevent it. I also know that the company would not move on the furlough pass benefits (or anything else for the involuntary furloughs for that matter). I was against the LOA, told my rep and thanked him after the vote. The individuals negotiating have a duty to try to get the best deal they can for the pilots-then present it as an LOA for a vote. Our guys tried hard, the pilots said thanks but no thanks to the company--thats it. I understand exactly what the 110 are going through-I've been there done that. My goal was not to start an arguement-just make some things clear. You would not believe the # of people who still think we could change the furlough number by negotiating. I'll leave it at that. If you want to get frustrated and angry, direct it at a company who for instance wouldn't even extend furloughed pilots pass benefits (I believe Delta does as do several DCI carriers).