I have to aggree with juice, there are reasons at all carriers that guys are happy there, every person and every company have things that are more important to some employees than others. One pilot may prefer no stand ups or hot reserves , or living in base as opposed to straight pay per hour. Everyone has things they are looking for in their job, and most jobs you get back what you put in. Sure my own company is in negotiations for a new contract and there are some things Id like to see changed, but even if it stays the same its good enough for me to stay there a while longer and not be totally disgruntled. I think people get defensive because people behind computers ussually spit garbage they really have no knowledge on, and Juices point is very valid at any carrier. If your going to bash another carrier, just dont go there with a chip on your shoulder while on APC your bashing them