Uhhh....ok SkyP.

So the guys on reserve, who are now working 1 extra day per month but yet saw no "credit" on our side of the ledger for their "give" are dealing with "pie in the sky"? No value was given by AMR for this..but it's interesting to see your take on it..

You only appear to value what makes it to the SEC. SEC data IS important, but making a decision on the VALUE of Contract concessions based on only 1 data point like SEC data is like "hoping" the ACARS uplinked the flight plan into the FMC ok...and not checking it point by point, line by line against the flight plan.

For example, with all the screwups by AMR in implementing the concessionary agreement as previously mentioned (so much so that Roy Everett had to run a master "shuffle"-TWICE, sending training costs thru the roof!) and which DEFINITELY affected the COSTS listed on the SEC documentation. So is SEC data then worthless because AMR spiked the costs thru incompetence? Heck no! But, it should be viewed with a grain of salt for what it represents. The question needing to be raised is "Who pays" when AMR screws up like this? Sounds (to me) like you think AA Pilots should pony up again, instead of turning and pointing to that given but gone unvalued by management and saying "here's your value-now go fix the factory."

Also, you need to think a little more independently and consider who is better served if AMR over- or under-reports cost savings on contract concessions given the company?

In sum;

APA did a poor job assigning value in 2003 to that which was given.

AMR did a poor job of implementing, spiking costs.

Other employee groups have taken a pass on giving AMR another bite at the apple, yet APA feels compelled to contribute yet again. Why?

Why are APA's leaders so much smarter than the TWU or APFA? Why does our union president who has a debilitating disease (MS) and who's medical status after union office will be problematic, refuse to agree NOT to become part of the management team he's now "negotiating" against? What questions does that raise in the membership's mind?

Finally, as regards to your Eagle comment, as I said earlier Mike Boyd put the $$$ number on the give, not me. It was what his estimate of the COST to the company were APA to have done THAT flying at THAT time...see how that works? As it turns out, it now looks like it WOULD have been cheaper to keep that flying in-house, what with how obvious it is to all that at today's costs that EA (or RJ's in general) are a giant black hole for cash.

ADIRU