I can tell you one thing about Mesaba. The saabs are all going away in the not so distant future. Word is some company in asia wants them and are willing to pay X amount for the leases to Saab. Offered Delta to match that lease price and they declined. Saabs all go away then as our leases expire 2010. Apparently Delta had no plans to get rid of the saabs but just made the decision when faced with the fact. FWIW.