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Old 11-06-2009 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MD80
Where are the Teamsters with Duty Time proposals?

I never hear anything about the Teamsters union on safety, duty time, outsourcing flying, integration policy, .... At least ALPA is fight for US pilot in Washington D.C.

Think about it!
Like Larry the Cable Guy says; "That there's just funny, I don't care who you are."

ALPA has done nothing about outsourcing pilot jobs. Ask the Atlas pilots who got a foreign base and crewmembers shoved down their throat. Eight years of lost seniority, out of seniority furloughs and lost flying. Only after they went to the IBT did the union...the IBT...get it closed.

Now UAL is going to do it...what's ALPA doing?

The IBT has been non stop on Capitol Hill fighting outsourcing of pilots and MRO's. They blocked Frontier's efforts to outsource and have just won two rounds of bringing back outsourced and offshore maintenance and aircraft refits at United...with more to come.

Meanwhile, how's ALPA's negotiation...oops, mediation...going over there?

They shutdown Amerijet and got them a first contract. With labor unions from every arena...yeah, including those dreaded "garbagemen" to come out in support of those 60 pilots. The support was from airline pilots from across the spectrum and thousands from the AFL-CIO, Teamsters and others...when has ALPA ever done that?

And the only union who DIDN'T show up?

ALPA National.

ALPA pilots and individual LEC's and MEC's supported them. IBT carriers, UPS, American, USAPA (East AND West), SWA...so many others...

The promised "delegation" from ALPA NEVER SHOWED or CALLED...

Flight Time and Duty Time? Go check the Congressional records on who's been up there. IBT Airline Division.

Who did Sully and Skiles ask to go to Capitol Hill with them and attend meetings on Flight Time and Duty Time? IBT Airline Division.

Who's working on crew outsourcing? Yep, those "garbagemen" again.

Who offered to sign a contract that would allow the pilots of ATI to be whipsawed against ANY pilot group? And give management a model of how to do it with other airlines? IF they decertified the IBT and joined ALPA???

ALPA

Who said they would not sign any agreement that allowed whipsawing of any pilot group against ANY carrier REGARDLESS of union affiliation?

IBT Airline Division

So under the new IBT Airline Division leadership, they have gotten rid of a corrupt Local president, forced an airline management to sign a contract with pay and benefit improvements and no concessions, gotten jobs back, working to negotiate better contracts than the past, ended a bunch of outsourcing, stood up against whipsawing, provided language for legislation on Capitol Hill protecting pilots, worked to revise retirements and pensions for pilots, and for the first time in the history of airline pilots, gotten people from ALL walks of life to stand up, walk the picket line and OPEN THEIR WALLETS to support PILOTS.

Yep, they lost ATI. Whose union leadership was in the pocket of the guy who got thrown out. Who was told if he'd take a whipsaw deal, the holding company would give him jets and jobs from ABX. IBT said "no"...Prater said, "come on over...I'll sign it!"

IBT lost ATI's 155 pilots because they wouldn't agree to whipsaw. ALPA lost USAPA because they wouldn't get off their ass to figure out how to address the seniority arbitration, and lost Atlas and Polar because Prater lied to their MEC about getting off his ass and getting a 3 year old merger done.

And then there's Midwest Express...your carrier MD80, right? Did Prater ever "change his zip code" as he promised? As I recall, he tossed you and your MEC to the wolves when he refused to provide financial assistance on the merger front.

No one ever said IBT does not have warts from past leadership. They are fixing that.

So far, all ALPA has done is call them "garbagemen, truckers, bakery workers..." not worthy of representing pilots.

I wonder how the guys at Pinnacle, Hawaiian, and even Midwest are faring under those new contracts? How about the new spiffy TA at ATN? That's where the IBT Airline Division just wrapped up a new contract for the mechanics too...with better pay and job security.

Their leadership works for probably less than 50% of the pay of the ALPA National leadership. How's that working out? Any ALPA leaders taking pay cuts while ALPA pilots are furloughed?

Odd thing is despite what you may think or will be told, I don't hate ALPA. I do however despise what the current elected leadership has done. They've run a great organization staffed by wonderful people into the crapper. They've failed miserably on every organizing drive except Colgan and ATN...who just wanted to go anywhere. They lost Skywest, JetBlue isn't interested nor are others. They are begging USAPA to come back, but that's not happening.

They've cut services and staff. Imposed work rules. Lost carriers. Can't pay the bills. And trash anyone who isn't ALPA.

Sounds like Airline Management 101.

Now they have an all out push to raid IBT carriers because they need the money to pay the bills.

That's what is sad. And ticks me off. Their refusal to admit mistakes and rectify them, and in doing so, hurting pilots and their families because of their arrogance and ego's.

Now...I will say...ALPA does have one thing over the Teamsters that the IBT will never have...

A really big inflatable rat...

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