Originally Posted by
Bustin
To say there is nothing preventing the merger is fantasy. Your response on the ASA MEC seems hasty and defensive. I never said the ASA MEC was preventing anything. The circumstances of a union vs. non-union pilot group is what prevents the merger. This is not the fault of Skywest Airlines or ASA. It is just the circumstances they are in. Honestly, why do you believe that doesn't present a huge obstacle?
You said,
"the fact that one group is union and the other isn't PREVENTS Skywest Inc. from merging them." That is not factually correct. NOTHING prevents Skywest management from merging companies and lists, NOTHING. Just because ASA pilots are ALPA does not put any physical, or legal obstacles in the ability for management to integrate seniority lists! This is not the fault of Skywest or ASA pilots. This is solely the fault of Skywest management because they can do it today if they were interested in one list. Its only an obstacle because management tells you it is.
Originally Posted by
Newty
Are you suggesting that when ASA furloughed, the way it should have been done was to take the hire dates of everyone under the Inc. banner and furlough from that list, thus furloughing mostly Brasilia FO's from Skywest and then bringing ASA RJ fo's over to Skywest and retrain them in the Bro? Is that what you are suggesting should have happened?
This is the way it would have been done if the lists were integrated. And its also the most equitable way of treating pilots that all work for the same company and make profits for the same company and share rewards from the same company.
Originally Posted by
dontsurf
so what winglets is saying is that the asa pilots should be on delta's seniority list and delta never should have sold them. i think i'm getting that right. because they were owned by one entity, and should therefore have been one pilot group. weird how business doesn't actually work that way.
Yes, having pilots from mainline doing all flying done with their colors under one list is the best way to do it. What's wrong with that?
Originally Posted by
nigelcobalt
So Winglets,
What you are saying is no different than a comair, mesaba, and compass pilot that is furloughed, should then be able to be recalled when any delta wholly owned starts recalling, correct? And why stop there? Shouldn't a comair 9 year fo be able to jump over to compass and be the most senior captain? Or even better, a 20 year mesaba guy can just bid over to the left seat 767 doing international delta stuff.
I chose SkyWest. I waited until I had the mins at the time (1000). I could have gone to asa a year earlier (much lower mins). Not from atl, so it was of no interest to me. Your option would screw over guys that did that.
Btw, I voted alpa. I still want alpa. I want one list, but integretion will be a little tricky, and there will have to be some give and take.
It is upon the backs of SkyWest pilots that the company prospered enough to be able to buy ASA outright. Now, even though we are separate lists, AND companies, we are working together to make Inc strong. Hopefully to our benefit.
A little something to think about.
Yes, and ALPA is specifically working on this concept as we speak (of course there would have to be a vacancy before someone can bid over across corporate lines). Its being done by the Fee for Departure Task Force. This removes management's ability to whipsaw regional pilot groups by giving flying away to the lowest bidder.
And because of the very reason that pilots of Skywest and ASA work together to make Inc strong, is the same reason why their sacrifices should be shared equitably as well.
Originally Posted by
PSACFI
I haven't really seen a reason to yet. Yeah ASA furloughing and Skywest not sucks but on the positive side there hasn't been any TSA/GoJet or Freedom/Mesa (when they were separate) whipsaw action.....yet.
Things could be much, much worse.
There doesn't have to be an alter ego or anything so obvious to say there isn't whipsawing happening.